(05/17/2014) Denying Oneself

Posted: May 16, 2014 in Commitment, Family, Sacrifice, Scriptures, Service, The Bible, The Holy Spirit
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Self-denial and being true to oneself among Christian believers is the topic, today, along with more on the issue of accuracy for the Scriptures.  A “Yahoo! Answers” writer using the ID “The Green Machine” (Level 5 with 5,512 points, a member since November 09, 2013) posted the following:


Why do Christians deny themselves? 

Jesus says to deny ones self and not be true to ones self. Why?


THE BATTLE AXE:  The Issue Is Not Accuracy (05/16/2014)—For editors, scholars, students of history, and writers of analytical reviews and literary criticism, accuracy, like proofreading, pertains to the correctness of data and factual information.  Items come into view such as the spelling and pronunciation of names, dates, genealogies, and the grouping of discrete facts according to categories, classes, patterns, and types.  The holy writings do not conform to any single standards for literary genres, and are more to be known in terms of eternal purpose.  The Scriptures are to reveal the nature and process of divinity by reporting sacred events that have occurred among mankind, and on behalf of humanity.  Readers are granted a divine perspective, so to speak, displaying information from thousands of lives, over the course of thousands of years.  Statements of eyewitness, origins, and personal testimony appear, consistent with the divine revelation of GOD through operations of ongoing judgment.  The writings should not be described using such labels as autobiography, biography, diaries, government documents, private journals, or travel logs.  The holy writings convey spirit matter such as faith, holiness, joy, righteousness, wisdom, and wrath against sin.  As such, the Scriptures are dynamic and organic like seed that must be planted within the soil for growth, maturity, and further reproduction by the bearing of fruit.  The spirit content deposited within the Scriptures must interact with the endowment of spirit matter readers receive through baptism (i.e., death of the inborn spirit, rebirth from divine DNA).  As these streams of spirit flow together, readers are further built up and established in relationship with GOD through operations of divinity upon awareness and self-will.  Consider again Genesis 1:  1-3, Genesis 41:  38-40, John 4:  4, 1st Corinthians 2:  7-16, Hebrews 4:  12, 2nd Peter 1:  16-21 and Revelation 19:  9-10, KJV.


THE GOLDEN ARROW:  And it came to pass, that, as they went in the way, a certain man said unto him, Lord, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest.  And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.  And he said unto another, Follow me.  But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.  Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead:  but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.  And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house.  And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.  (Luke 9:  57-62, KJV)


THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Genuine Repentance? (03/24/2014); When Is A Law The LAW? (03/25/2014); (Resisting Sin (12/21/2013); When People Covet (12/22/2013); Commandments in the Light of Christ? (10/12/2013); Never Taught It? (10/13/2013); A Lid on Love? (09/27/2013); Dying in Terror and Joy? (09/28/2013); Struggling? (05/11/2013); Through Much Tribulation (05/12/2013); Known by GOD? (10/16/2010)


“The Green Machine”, where Christ speaks to his apostles and disciples regarding self-denial he is not requiring martyrdom, self-destruction, or suicide.  Believers are to accept that the demands of commitment, duty, love and unselfish service are ceaseless, nonstop, and unrelenting.  Right relationship that correctly exalts divinity promotes companionship with GOD through Christ as more necessary than family, friends, ones employer and co-workers, or even ones spouse and offspring, for the gifts of redemption, salvation and eternal life may be secured through no other divine agency.

Rightly understood, only certain aspects of ones full carnal being (we say, the flesh) are to be suppressed, or continually taken to be of less importance for spiritual existence.  Awareness and self-will in created beings and living creatures may be dominated by appetite (e.g., hunger, thirst, cravings for sexual activity), sensation (e.g., hearing, seeing, tasting, touching), emotion/mental functions (e.g., anxiety, desires, imagination, intellect, recall), and sin.  Sin is no material, physical, or spirit thing created by GOD; and sin opposes the continued existence of divine law, of the Law Giver, and of the full Creation that responds to divine law.

There is a lot more to be said, correctly understood, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, while a believer’s demonstration, display and ministry of divine gifts are to occur through the attention we show family and all others, believers also are to discern and recognize when the control, influence, and standards of others are not those set forth in Christ.  Believers are to make responsible choices, resist, and even separate themselves from those who insist upon behavior that spreads corruption, defilement, profanity, spiritual confusion, and unbelief.).  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your meekness and faith.

It is a faithful saying:  For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:  If we suffer, we shall also reign with him:  if we deny him, he also will deny us:  If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful:  he cannot deny himself.  (2nd Timothy 2:  11-13, KJV)

Washington, DC

  1. DENYING SCRIPTURE? by Steve Finnell

    How many times do men have to deny a doctrine of God to make it false? Calvinists believe that once a person is saved they can never be lost. How many verses of Scripture have to be opposed in order to make eternal security a reality? Does denominational teaching cancel the Scriptures?

    1. Hebrews 3:7-12…….12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;(NKJV)

    Once saved always saved?

    2. Galatians 5:4 You have been estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law, you have fallen from grace.(NKJV)

    Once saved always saved?

    3. Luke 8:13 “But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away.(NKJV)

    Once saved always saved?

    4. 2 Timothy 2:16-18……18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some.(NKJV)

    Once saved always saved?

    5. 2 Peter 3:14-17…..17 You therefore, beloved, since you know these things before hand , beware lest you fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;(NKJV)

    Once saved always saved?

    6. 1 Timothy 4:1-5 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons…….(NKJV)

    Did the Holy Spirit believe in once saved always saved?

    7. James 5:19-20 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back. 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.(NKJV)

    Once saved always saved? I think not.

    8. 1 Corinthians 6:8-11 No, you yourselves do wrong and defraud, and you do these things to your brethren! 9 do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, not adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God……(NKJV)

    Are unrepentant Christians once saved always saved?

    9. James 5:9-12 Do not grumble against one another, brethren, lest you be condemned. Behold, the Judge is standing st the door!…..12 But above all, my brethren, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath. But let your “Yes” be “Yes,” and your “No,” “No,” lest you fall into judgment.(NKJV)

    Does God joke about the possibility of condemnation and judgement? Once saved always saved?

    10. Matthew 10:16-22 …..22 “And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.(NKJV)

    Will those Christians who do not endure to the end be “Once saved always saved.”

    11. Colossians 1:21-23…….22…to present you holy , and blameless, and irreproachable in His sight—23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which was preached to every creature under heaven…(NKJV)

    There are conditions to remaining saved. Once saved always saved was never promised by God.

    12. Revelation 2:10 “Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.(NKJV)

    Christians have the choice to be faithful or not. God does not force men to be faithful. “Once saved always saved is not found in the Scriptures.”

    13. Ephesians 5:1-7 …..3 But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as it is fitting for saints……..5 For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of God……(NKJV)

    Why would God warn Christians about losing their inheritance if they were “Once saved always saved.”?

    14. 2 Peter 2:1-3 But there were false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction……(NKJV)

    Apostasy is not defined as “Once saved always saved.”

    15. 1 Timothy 1:18-20…..19 having faith and a good conscience , which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck….(NKJV)

    Is a shipwrecked faith an example of “Once saved always saved?”

    16. John 15:1-6…….6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.(NKJV)

    Are the once saved always saved thrown into the fire?

    17. Hebrews 10:26-29 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins…….(NKJV)

    Does that sound like “Once saved always saved?”

    18. 2 Peter 2:12-14……having eyes full of adultery and that cannot cease from sin, beguiling unstable souls. They have a heart trained in covetous practices, and are accursed children.(NKJV)

    You have to be a Christian to be a child of God. Are accursed children “Once saved always saved?”

    19. 1 Corinthians 9:27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.(NKJV)

    Does disqualified mean “Once saved always saved?”

    20. 1 Corinthians 8:8-11…..11 And because of your knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?(NKJV)

    Does the fact that weak Christians can perish prove that the doctrine of “Once saved always saved” is true?

    21. 2 Peter 2:20-22 For if, after they have escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for than the beginning…….(NKJV)

    Are backsliding unrepentant Christians “Once saved always saved?”

    22. Acts 20:28-30…..”For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock…..(NKJV)

    Why would anyone worry about savage wolves if all Christians are once saved always saved?

    23. Hebrews 6:4-6 Fot it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit…..6 if they fall away , to renew them again to repentance….(NKJV)

    Why would God warn Christians about falling away if it is impossible to fall from grace? Once saved always saved, I do not think so.

    24. Revelation 3:1-5 “He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.(NKJV)

    Jesus says Christians names can be blotted out from the Book of Life. Calvinists say men are once saved always saved.

    25. Matthew 25:1-13 ……11 “Afterward the other virgins came also saying, “Lord , Lord, open to us?” 12 “But he answered and said, ‘ Assuredly , I say to you, I do not know you.’….(NKJV)

    All ten virgins called Jesus Lord, Lord. Five of the virgins were lost. Once saved always saved was not a reality for five of the virgins.

    26. Acts 5: 1-11 …..3 …Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit…5 Then Ananias, hearing these words, fell down and breathed his last…(NKJV)

    Is this great example of “Once saved always saved?”

    27. 1 Corinthians 10:1-12…..12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.(NKJV)

    Why would God warn against falling if Christians are “Once saved always saved?”

    28. 1 Timothy 2:16-18 ….who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past ; and they overthrow the faith of some.(NKJV)

    If your faith has been overthrown are you once saved always saved?

    29. Hebrew 4:1-11 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it…….11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience.(NKJV)

    Why would the writer of Hebrews warn that Christians can fall if they were all “Once saved always saved?”

    30. 1 Peter 5:1-8…….Be sober be vigilant ; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.(NKJV)

    How could the devil devour Christians who are “Once saved always saved?”

    31. 2 John 9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.(NKJV)

    It is possible to not remain in Christ. John forgot to read the words of John Calvin. Once in grace always in grace, not a Biblical concept.

    In order to support the doctrine of “ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED” you have to believe God was confused when He wrote 31 of 31 Scriptures written here.


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  2. Steve, here’s a caution I have trust has come from Christ: Those who are unwilling to accept the plain, cutting truths of the Bible are continually seeking for pleasing fables that will quiet the conscience. The less spiritual, self-denying, and humiliating the doctrines presented, the greater the favor with which they are received. These persons degrade the intellectual powers to serve their carnal desires. Too wise in their own conceit to search the Scriptures with contrition of soul and earnest prayer for divine guidance, they have no shield from delusion. Satan is ready to supply the heart’s desire, and he palms off his deceptions in the place of truth. It was thus that the papacy gained its power over the minds of men; and by rejection of the truth because it involves a cross, Protestants are following the same path. All who neglect the word of God to study convenience and policy, that they may not be at variance with the world, will be left to receive damnable heresy for religious truth. Every conceivable form of error will be accepted by those who willfully reject the truth. He who looks with horror upon one deception will readily receive another. The apostle Paul speaking of a class who “received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved,” declares: “For this cause God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12. With such a warning before us it behooves us to be on our guard as to what doctrines we receive.

    Ellen G. White. January 1971. The Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan, p. 459-460. Mountain View, CA: The Pacific Press Publishing Association.

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