Archive for the ‘born again’ Category

The problems of knowing and not knowing GOD are the topic, today, along with more on having a relationship and not just knowledge.  A “Yahoo! Answers” writer using the ID “DESMOND” (Level 1 with 100 points, a member since June 24, 2013) posted the following:

I think i’m lost without God?

THE BATTLE AXE:  A Relationship not Just Knowledge? (06/25/2013)—  (5)  The salvation we speak of is not an invisible, one-time, sacred event where GOD operates upon human awareness and then becomes distant and remote.  Salvation is a continuing consciousness of GOD whereby believers apply their own endowment of sacred substance in building, decision-making, forecasting, interaction, judgment and shared experience.  It is in this sense that one must “give to get,” and one can achieve nothing without making a total investment of oneself. 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.  For by it the elders obtained a good report.  Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.  By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.  By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him:  for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.  But without faith it is impossible to please him:  for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.  (Hebrews 11:  1-6, KJV)

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  To Find A True Christian? (06/17/2013); Unseen Sin? (06/18/2013); Life Given By Knowledge? (04/03/2013); A Spirit Church? (04/04/2013); To See With New Eyes (11/06/2012); A Life Companion? (11/07/2012); Unanswered Prayers? (09/11/2011); When You Pray (09/12/2012)

DESMOND, here are some points to consider that are important to a full and correct understanding for Christian believers:

(1)  The problem of not knowing GOD results in created beings and living creatures operating in terms of imperfection (we say, immaturity) and their less developed nature.  Human potential includes ability to operate after an animal, or a divine nature.  By the one, aspects of the flesh dominate (e.g., appetite such as hunger, thirst, craving for sexual activity; sensation such as hearing, seeing, tasting, touching; mental operations such as desire, fantasy, imagination, recall, thought).  By the other, aspects of spirit control and establish being, person, purpose, relationship, and vision.

(2)  The problem of knowing GOD is that material, physical and social truth are not always upheld by ones spirit content.  Contradictions, disbelief, human error, and spiritual confusion repeatedly occur until operating in line with divinity becomes habitual, regular, and stable.  Those who are “born again” MUST grow up again; and encounter “growing pains” again.

(3)  For mankind, correctly realizing how to operate in a relationship to the Creator and Maker of the universe must be achieved using the materials of human experience.  Included are change, emotions, growth, knowledge, interaction, language, and work.  Nevertheless, there must be a transformation of human make-up.

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example,  (4)  A “connect” must be in place whereby the Almighty may know or recognize his created ones as well as be known by them.  Through baptism (we say, rebirth having divine DNA), believers possess the imparted, indwelling Spirit of GOD made available through the ministry of Jesus Christ.  Thereafter, as Christians one must meet the challenges of life, and may seem to stray or wander.  However, these are as those who left Egypt and could not enter the Promised land for 40 years; or like the “lost sheep” of Israel.  GOD always knows where they are, and that they belong to him.)   Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

Feelings held by those condemned in divine judgment are a topic, today, along with more on what happens to those who have never heard about GOD and Christ.  A “Yahoo! Answers” writer using the ID “Jake” (Level 1 with 16 points, a member since May 11, 2013) posted the following:


Christians, if you are sent to Hell by God, for whatever reason, would you still adore and love God?

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Esther …. rather nice AVOIDANCE of my question. Guilty conscience? Not 100% sure “you” are going to make it to heaven? Hmmm.


THE BATTLE AXE:  Those Who Have Never Heard? (06/07/2013)—(5)  The experience of “hearing the truth” and knowing the existence of GOD within ones awareness is not a product of conversation, culture, human interaction, language, social communication, and verbal exchange.  Consciousness of divinity is an aspect of personal being, and a life-process like self-awareness that occurs within the spirit make-up of created beings and living creatures through the action and presence of GOD, who is spirit.  The Gospel is preached, and believers provide various demonstrations of faith in order to acknowledge, confirm, and witness to the presence of the Spirit of Christ in the earth, and can not create awareness and sacred knowledge where it does not exist.  Through the ministry of Jesus, the terms of historical covenants binding GOD and elect persons among men have been modified to further clarify judgment, broaden salvation, extend the benefits of divine promises, and illuminate the righteousness of grace.  See John 10:  1-30 and Ephesians 2:  8-22, King James Version. 


THE GOLDEN ARROW:  As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.  And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.  Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;  That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.  And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:  I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.  Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me:  for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.  O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee:  but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.  And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it:  that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.  (John 17:   18-26, King James Version)


THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  How Do I Repent? (05/16/2013); Emotional Appeal? (04/02/2013); Does GOD Feel? (10/05/2012); How Was GOD Known Before Jesus? (10/06/2012); Sin Without Wrongdoing? (08/28/2012); On Religious Items (08/29/2012); (12/01/2011) Girdle 16:  A Drawn Sword


Jake, here are some points that are useful for avoiding spiritual confusion, and becoming a mature Christian believer: 

(1)  Those who acknowledge, adore, love, and worship GOD through Jesus Christ do so because they have received an endowment of divine spirit.  Substance from the make-up and person of GOD is deposited within the believer that transforms their self-awareness and living process.  (We say the believer is “born again.”)  Included as divine spirit content are faith, forbearance, forgiveness, holiness, joy, longsuffering, love, righteousness, wisdom, and wrath against sin.

(2)  Created beings and living creatures lose their place within the sphere of divine existence only because their consciousness of divinity, their defining content, and their inner make-up becomes corrupt and defiled through sin.  The will of GOD is not subject to sin.  Sin has not been created by GOD, does not obey or respond to the will of GOD, and has no material or spirit substance.  Even so, sin has direction, effect and presence; and may dominate self-will in created beings and living creatures.  Sin opposes the existence of divine law, of Sacred Person, and of all that has been created of GOD.

(3)  While temporal feelings (i.e., emotions that come and go) such as anger, bitterness, fear, pride, resentment, self-approval, and uncertainty often characterize the wicked, divine judgment is founded upon eternal and unchanging principles, including those that have been proclaimed as divine law.  The focus of judgment is not upon behavior, conduct and episodes from angelic or human experience; actualities of existence and sacred process are examined, and identified for their fruitfulness, reverence, permanence, and continuance as perpetual.

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4)  Christians are not sent to hell for any reason.  To be in Christ as a believer is to be already “cleared” in divine judgment, and to have place continuing in sacred processes of cleansing, correction, and sanctification.  While the challenges of sin continue in a believer’s human experience, sin can not terminate the workings of the Holy Spirit, and the sacred operation of perfection can not be concluded.  Every believer is being perfected—made holy, mature, immortal and incorruptible.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

Baptism, spiritual growth, re-baptism, and the Holy Spirit are topics today along with more on the primacy of GOD. A “Yahoo! Answers” writer using the ID “Jasmine” (Level 1 with 75 points, a member since June 2, 2013) posted the following:

Can I get spiritual baptism repeatedly? because I am stuck with the holy spirit I got a few years ago.?

I am stuck with the holy spirit I got a few years ago. Can I get spiritually baptised again with a new brand holy spirit? Is it possible to get spiritually baptised again?


THE BATTLE AXE: Putting GOD First? (06/02/2013)—Acknowledgment, respect, and reverence (we say, worship) are correctly shown to GOD when it is understood that the content, make-up, and person describing divine existence also generate the being, coherence, integrity, life, order, presence and purpose for every other creature, life form and object that may be known. Unlike inanimate objects, material things, or the living, GOD puts forth and operates as the prime source of all without having any source; and the Almighty is capable of initiating and responding to independent, unassisted action, communication, exchange, and thought. Divine power is an artifact of divine substance. Thus, power consists in such eternal content as faith, holiness, longsuffering, love, righteousness, wisdom, and wrath against sin. GOD appears to created beings and living creatures through operations that apply divine power, and that make the otherwise unknowable presence of GOD actual in the awareness of sentient beings (we say, visible). Included are birth, creation, death, forgiveness, judgment, praise, prayer, proclamation, promise, prophecy, rebirth, resurrection, sanctification, truth, and witness. See Numbers 23: 19, Psalm 99: 1-9, John 3: 23-24 and Jeremiah 9: 23-24, King James Version.

THE GOLDEN ARROW: As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. (Colossians 2: 6-15, King James Version)

THE DOUBLE DAGGER: Quoting Scripture to GOD? (04/24/2013); Illusion? (04/25/2013); Translation, Please…(01/11/2013); Why So Much Murder? (01/12/2013); Tongues? (11/17/2010); Fire Baptism (08/24/2012); Why No Answer? (08/25/2012); Girdle 6: Book I, The Preamble (11/21/2011)

Jasmine, here are some points for consideration that many mature Christian believers would endorse:

(1) Most followers of Jesus Christ endure an extended period of gradual growth and learning. So to speak, Born-again, one must mature again, and must encounter various challenges and “growing pains” that may cause disappointment, spiritual confusion, and uncertainty regarding ones salvation. Saying this in other ways: All will be tested. All must overcome sufferings. All exist within two different frameworks of reality, and must find the balance between the natural and the spirit worlds.

(2) Increased awareness and strength for ones spirit content is determined and “paced” by direct operations of GOD through the imparted, indwelling spirit of Jesus Christ. A believers ability to discern and recognize the action and presence of the invisible things from GOD is increased over time through such living practice as fellowship with other believers, prayer, and study of the Scriptures.

(3) All believers start out as disinterested, ignorant, only mildly curious, and weak in faith. Divinity and sacred substance from the make-up of the Almighty is received only as ones obedience and trust are increased. Included here may be forgiveness, holiness, joy, longsuffering (endurance), love, sanctification, wisdom and wrath against sin.

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended. (For example, (4) Multiple acts of faith (called works) are not required before salvation so much as after salvation as the correct expression of acceptance, agreement, gratitude, and understanding. The human aspects of baptism center in choice, self-will, and voluntary submission to GOD; however, the divine aspects center in death, re-birth, the generation of life from divine, not human, substance, and the transformation of a mortal to one that will be immortal and incorruptible.) Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

Some ideas regarding language from the holy writings that speak to rebirth, and more on Solomon is presented, today.  The “Yahoo! Answers” writer, “David G” (Level 5 with 7,787 points, a member since August 25, 2007), posted the following:


Should “born again” have been translated “born from above”?
Keep in mind that your bible is a translation from, hopefully, the manuscripts.
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When did God create your soul? This age, or the one before this one?


THE BATTLE AXE:  The Golden Age? (01/10/2013)—As with most figures in the Bible, only part of the life, person and history of King Solomon serves as a sacred manifestation or type depicting the things from GOD for mankind.  Solomon is credited as having written more than a thousand adages, maxims and proverbs.  However, the wisdom documented in the Proverbs is to be seen as the wisdom of GOD from the covenant people to their leadership along with the wisdom of GOD from the leadership of the covenant nation for the people, and divine wisdom through the covenant people for all mankind.  Many find the Song of Solomon (also called “Canticles” and the “Song of Songs”) one of the most difficult readings from the word of GOD.  Modern readers do not immediately endorse, or feel a connection with the prophetic language and symbols used to express gratitude, love and passion toward GOD, toward the Messiah that would be sent, and toward the temple (i.e., Church) that would be established.  Solomon, the representation of Christ, is seen in contrast to Absalom, Adonijah, Amnon, Rehoboam, and all the other sons of David, who all fulfilled only carnal and fleshly expectations.  Because none fulfilled the divine aspects of the sacred promises to David, this meant that another should be expected.  When Jesus appeared as an heir to David, celibate, lowly, and meek, yet, a son of GOD, Jesus was “a new creature” totally unlike any son of David that had ever been born.


THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:  Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.  For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:  But the word of the Lord endureth for ever.  And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.  (1st Peter 1:  22-25, KJV)


THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  “Soul” Food? (12/06/2012); Holiday Displays? (12/07/2012); A Text for Lives Today (11/25/2012); Pornography from the Bible? (11/26/2012); Before the Fruit? (11/10/2012); Seeking and Being Sought (11/04/2012); The Gospel not Logical? (09/16/2012); Unwelcome Gifts? (09/17/2012); Jealous, Not Crazy (08/10/2012); The Divine Tool of Death (08/11/2012); The One Unseen (02/03/2012)


Many mature Christian believers agree it is not any academic or literal translation of the words that appear from the pages of Scripture that is most important; rather, it is a person’s discernment, recognition, and understanding of the spiritual substance hidden within the Scriptures that is the most important thing.  Thus, one of the most significant approaches used in the ministry of Jesus to affirm peculiar doctrines appears through the Savior asking, How readest thou? (see Luke 10:  25-27, KJV).  The imparted, indwelling Spirit of GOD may give utterance, and the believer’s response may be fashioned, not merely as agreement.  Instead, the hearer is encouraged to share belief, praise, proclamation, and prophecy.

“Born again” and the language of rebirth conveys the profound reconfiguration of human existence while continuing to locate mankind upon the earth (the creation of GOD), and in the world (the creation of mankind).  The importance of flesh as an aspect of the various spiritual processes for salvation more readily comes into view.  Included are gestation, regeneration and sanctification.  There must be development and growth of human being and personness that derive from divine substance (we say, divine DNA); and the operation is one that both employs, and works upon flesh.

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended. (For example, to say “born from above” is not incorrect, for human understanding requires that fundamental spiritual truths must be repeated many times (like “Mama” and “Dada”) before they are finally internalized, and properly applied.  There must be a continual acknowledgment of the separation of mankind from the Creator, a distance that results from the exalted nature of GOD as well as from the operations of sin.  Also, there must be continual acceptance of the revelation of GOD Incarnate through the person of Jesus Christ as the profound outreach of GOD to the created.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.


THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC