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Jan Harmensz. Muller, Lot and His Daughters, 1600

 

Today, reply is on incest, Lots daughters, correct sacred knowledge, and the work of the Bible to make sin recognizable. Different sexual sins are described in the holy writings, however, it is an error to label all sexual behavior as sin, just as it is an error to insist that the “original sin” committed by Adam and Eve was that the pair performed sexual intercourse. Those who lack sacred knowledge regarding sin as the transgression of divine law usually are quick to express condemnation for sexual behavior, and to judge against others for sexual activity. We see this somewhat with the condemnation of Lots virgin daughters whose concern in their escape from Sodom was how to fulfill their duty as child-bearers. In ancient Bible times, a mans children and household were accounted as his inheritance from GOD, his personal property, and his wealth. For this reason, Lot offers his two daughters in ransom to a crowd threatening to rape the two strangers he had welcomed into his home. While appearing as unselfish and willing sacrifices similar to Isaac at Mount Moriah, neither of the girls were harlots, yet, both have been labeled as sexual figures among modern Christian readers. It is written: Galatians 5: 19-23, King James Version (KJV): 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. One of the fighters in the “Yahoo! Answers” public forum on Religion and Spirituality who uses the ID “Anonymous” (no profile information shown) posted the following:

 

Is it true that the Bible has father daughter incest in it?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW: Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise; That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth. And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. (Ephesians 6: 1-4, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER: Adam, Family and Law (07/05/2017); Why Was Lot Spared? (12/20/2015); Incest? (10/29/2015); The Judgment Against Sodom? (04/10/2015); Remembering Lot’s Wife (11/04/2014); Sinless Until Advent? (11/05/2014); Lot and the Angels (05/04/2014); Expulsion from Eden (04/05/2014)

 

Anonymous”, sin is the transgression of divine law. Until the law of Moses was granted, incest does not appear as a sexual and social sin associated with the frameworks of family and marriage. While the primary work of the Bible is to make GOD knowable, known, accessible, and approachable, the Bible also must expose the otherwise unseen process and substance of sin. Sin opposes the continued existence of sacred law, the Lawgiver, and all divine order throughout the universe. Sin is not a spirit, has not been sent forth by GOD, and sin is no physical matter that may be removed by a single act of divine destruction. Even so, sin may dominate awareness and self-will within created beings and living creatures.

In the same way the living do not immediately apprehend the “exceeding sinfulness of sin,” that sin generates enduring consequences that can continue long after the death of the sinner, and that sin is contrary to both divine and human nature, many become convinced and deceived thinking their choice to sin has been natural, normal, practical, and necessary. Sin often includes elements of counterfeit authority, deceit, false innocence, presumption, and self-promotion.

The account of incest committed by the daughters of Lot does not appear as the kind of romantic story we often see now in movies and television. The characters do not repeatedly express burning lust and passion as in novels and stories for amusement and entertainment. At a time when the covenant law for Israel was not yet written in stone by the finger of GOD, divinity appeared within their lives through their association with Abraham and the covenant of circumcision. Angels were dispatched to secure the deliverance of their father, Lot, from the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah; and their blessing was in the nature of inheritance. The girls were faced with issues of immaturity, isolation, loneliness, their mother turned to a pillar of salt by her disobedience, and the certainty that their father would not be granted another mate. They correctly acknowledged that they themselves would have to take accountability for their own life, death and survival; and mistakenly believed it was their duty to ensure their father’s name would be continued by his own heir. In this error they continued the practices of Adam, and copied Abram ensuring an heir through Hagar. That the daughters used alcohol to seduce their father shows they both realized he would deny them as unreasonable and unrighteous: both babies could have been born as females. Consider again the following that uses language from the Bible:

1. Romans 7: 9-14, King James Version (KJV): 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

2. Proverbs 23: 27-35, KJV: 27 For a whore is a deep ditch; and a strange woman is a narrow pit. 28 She also lieth in wait as for a prey, and increaseth the transgressors among men. 29 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? 30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. 31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. 32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. 33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things. 34 Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. 35 They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again.

3. Ezekiel 16: 49-50, KJV: 49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. 50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

There is far more that should be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended. (For example, 4. Romans 8: 1-9, KJV: 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.) Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.

 

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Scripture points are shared on divine deliverance, grace, sacred law, and salvation as seen through the Flood of Noah’s day.  Readers are encouraged to consider how the following Bible verses apply to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ along with the presentation below:

Matthew 24:  37-39, King James Version (KJV):  37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.  38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,  39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Ezekiel 14:  20-23, KJV:  20 Though Noah, Daniel, and Job were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.  21 For thus saith the Lord GOD; How much more when I send my four sore judgments upon Jerusalem, the sword, and the famine, and the noisome beast, and the pestilence, to cut off from it man and beast?  22 Yet, behold, therein shall be left a remnant that shall be brought forth, both sons and daughters:  behold, they shall come forth unto you, and ye shall see their way and their doings: and ye shall be comforted concerning the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, even concerning all that I have brought upon it.  23 And they shall comfort you, when ye see their ways and their doings:  and ye shall know that I have not done without cause all that I have done in it, saith the Lord GOD.

Luke 17:  24-30, KJV:  24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.  25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.  26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.  27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.  28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;  29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.  30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2nd Thessalonians 2:  15-17, KJV:  15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.  16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,  17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

The writer at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “Miki” (Level 2 with 606 points, a member since March 12, 2010) posted the following:

 

Although God destroyed the world, what is the ultimate message we receive from the story of Noah and the Flood?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised:  he is to be feared above all gods.  For all the gods of the nations are idols:  but the LORD made the heavens.  Honour and majesty are before him:  strength and beauty are in his sanctuary.  Give unto the LORD, O ye kindreds of the people, give unto the LORD glory and strength.  Give unto the LORD the glory due unto his name:  bring an offering, and come into his courts.  O worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness:  fear before him, all the earth.  Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth:  the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved:  he shall judge the people righteously.  Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad; let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof.  Let the field be joyful, and all that is therein:  then shall all the trees of the wood rejoice  Before the LORD:  for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth:  he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.  (Psalms 96:  4-13, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  An Eternal Plan and Process (07/05/2015); Sin and the Great Flood (11/03/2014); Remembering Lot’s Wife? (11/04/2014); Grace is Not Against Law (07/23/2014); Cruel and Offensive (07/24/2014); Destroyed in Noah’s Flood? (04/28/2013); Both Born Holy? (04/29/2013); A Second Adam? (03/25/2013); GOD Hiding in Plain Sight (03/26/2013)

 

“Miki”, for many mature Christian believers, there is no single lesson or message from the Flood because it is a sacred event that accomplishes multiple divine works.  Included are cleansing, incarnation, inheritance, judgment, prophecy, revelation, reconciliation, regeneration, salvation, and sanctification.  Creation must respond to divine law, and those chosen from among mankind may serve as special vessels of sacred law and inseparable divine substance such as faith, holiness, longsuffering, wisdom, and wrath against sin.  Divinity is more than an abstract principle, and is shown to respond to created beings and living creatures through personal exchange, dynamic interactions, and intimate relationship.  Consider the following from the holy writings:

(1.)  Psalm 24:  1-2, King James Version (KJV):  1 The earth is the LORD’s, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.  2 For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods.

(2.)  Genesis 6:  7-9, KJV:  7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.  8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.  9 These are the generations of Noah:  Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

(3.)  Genesis 18:  24-26, KJV:  24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city:  wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?  25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked:  and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee:  Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?  26 And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.

There is far more to be said, understood, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.) Ephesians 2:  4-9, KJV:  4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,  5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)  6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:  7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.  8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:  it is the gift of God:  9 Not of works, lest any man should boast).  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

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Deliverance, salvation and self-will are topics, today.  Also, there is more on the meaning of sin and the Great Flood.  A fighter at “Yahoo! Answers Canada” using the ID “Anonymous” (no information shared on Level or dates for membership) posted the following:

 

In Sodom and Gomorrah, why would God kill Lot’s wife, Sarah, by turning her into a pillar of salt for simply looking in the wrong direction?

*Warning of impending sarcasm.* God is a merciful God, right?

 

THE BATTLE AXE:  Sin and the Great Flood (11/03/2014)—(5.)  The account of the Flood is more to be understood as a revelation of divinity appearing in the earth as the spirit substance of grace.  Through the ministry of Adam, mankind was instructed to continue obedience of revealed law and the sacred practices that were to be known by the living as visible indicators for the active presence who is GOD.  The Almighty was to be acknowledged as Creator of the material world, who continues having sovereignty over all the earth as a sphere of life.  The Great Flood was more than a calamity or disaster resulting from natural cycles and routine mechanical processes for the earth.  GOD had endured the agonies of love as sin and ungodliness began to overspread the earth until divine forbearance and longsuffering no longer could restrain divinity from  taking decisive action.  The Flood was a sacred event made to occur and controlled by GOD, where known elements and forces were combined with never before seen natural events (e.g., earthquakes, underground geysers, rain, whirlwinds), to further establish the divine identity as Judge over the weather with all else that exists.  The operations of sin became so common and widespread that preserving the earth required a cataclysmic divine intervention.  Despite multiple messages of admonition and a warning period of more than a century while Noah and others were building the ark, corruption and defilement continued to the point that divine intent could no longer be accomplished through the forms of life upon the earth.  Obstacles to the fulfillment of the divine will would have to be permanently destroyed in order for there to be a future having divine opportunities and possibilities for divinity to be glorified through Creation.  As would later occur with Sodom, Gomorrah, and the cities of the plain, most of the living persons  upon the earth became unrecognizable as created by GOD (we say, inhuman); and were to be eradicated and replaced.  Consider again Genesis 6:  4-13, Ephesians 2:  1-10 and Isaiah 43:  16-21, KJV.

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth:  and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD.  And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell:  but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.  And the people answered and said, God forbid that we should forsake the LORD, to serve other gods;  For the LORD our God, he it is that brought us up and our fathers out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage, and which did those great signs in our sight, and preserved us in all the way wherein we went, and among all the people through whom we passed:  And the LORD drave out from before us all the people, even the Amorites which dwelt in the land:  therefore will we also serve the LORD; for he is our God.  And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD:  for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins.  If ye forsake the LORD, and serve strange gods, then he will turn and do you hurt, and consume you, after that he hath done you good.  And the people said unto Joshua, Nay; but we will serve the LORD.  And Joshua said unto the people, Ye are witnesses against yourselves that ye have chosen you the Lord, to serve him. And they said, We are witnesses.  Now therefore put away, said he, the strange gods which are among you, and incline your heart unto the LORD God of Israel.  And the people said unto Joshua, The LORD our God will we serve, and his voice will we obey.  (Joshua 24:  14-24, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Lot and the Angels (05/04/2014); Expulsion from Eden (05/05/2014); What Salvation Is (01/25/2014); Bible Justice? (01/26/2014); GOD Intervenes? (07/01/2013); Jericho Justified? (07/02/2013); Those Who Never Heard? (06/07/2013); If You Are Sent…? (06/08/2013)

 

“Anonymous”, sin may dominate awareness and self-will within created beings and living creatures.  Here are a few points shared by clear-minded Christians who correctly see the glass half-full, rather than half-empty:

(1.)  Christ has instructed those in new testament covenant to remember the mercy in judgment, the grace in salvation, and the freely-given deliverance extended to Lot’s wife.  The joy and rejoicing in Christ do not come by focus upon death, ignorance, and human tragedy.  When she and her family could not correctly comprehend their immediate danger despite direct warnings from GOD, and lingered under the threat of total destruction, the angelic messengers literally took her and the others by the hand, as one would take a small child crossing the street, and “forced” her to flee to safety.  In effect, GOD has done the same for us today by granting us awareness of Christ upon the cross.

(2.)  Apparently, the faith within Lot’s wife began to fade as she followed after her husband and children.  For her it must have been affliction, hardship or struggle, for she did not set her heart and mind upon the peace and security offered by GOD, and hardened herself against letting go the things of her former life.  Like the Apostle Peter—who was able to step out and walk upon the water after hearing the command of Jesus to come, yet, began drowning when he no longer saw a visible presentation of divinity—Lot’s wife lacked faith, and was granted a dispensation that required trust, focus and continuous gaze upon a revelation of GOD before her, rather than looking away, or turning back.

(3.)  All the time that Lot and his wife were members in the household of Abraham and his wife Sarah, the pair experienced participation in  covenant as well as worship that was approved by GOD.  Once the influence of Abraham became distant and remote, the two increasingly were influenced by men, women and children around them, who endorsed defiance of divine law, doubt, lust, passion, self-promotion, and unbelief. 

There is far more to be said, correctly understood, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.)  While Lot and his wife demonstrated hospitality and unselfishness that were commendable and godly, neither were mature (we say, perfected) in their understanding of divine intercession for mankind’s benefit.  Like many today, both lacked awareness of their own accountability within sacred processes such as deliverance, healing, judgment, and sanctification.  Thus, her choice to look back, was a choice to leave the path set by GOD for her continued existence.  Similarly, when told he would be relocated to a mountainous region for safety, Lot insisted to be taken instead to a small town that was nearby.  In exalting his own choice (we say, voicing a preference), Lot also left the path set by GOD.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC