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Today, topics include denominations, differences, and diversity within the household of GOD.  Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, Pentecostal, Methodist, Presbyterian:  there is a long list of names showing institutions who claim the Child that was born.  By the birth of Jesus, multiple streams of eternal purpose were combined and directed to continue in accord.  A child was born to remove enmity and separation between the Gentiles and the Jews, and a new access to the Father would be granted through his blood.  A new creation, the church, would emerge having one faith, one Lord, one baptism, one God and Father of all.  The authority as High Priest, Judge, Redeemer, and King continues to belong to the Son of the Highest.  Yet, the necessary acknowledgment of those who now also are children of GOD and joint-heirs with Christ may be completed only by the Father and the Holy Spirit.  A fighter at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “Cato” (Level 6 with 22,705 points, a member since July 16, 2016) posted the following:

 

God is not a God of confusion.So with the soo many Protestant sects disagreeing with each other,doesn’t this mean Protestantism is false?

1 Corinthians 14:33

33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.

As in all the churches of the saints,

What say ye?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;  That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:  But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.  For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;  Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;  And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:  And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.  For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.  Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;  And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;  In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:  In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.  (Ephesians 2:  11-22, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  The Birth of Jesus (12/27/2016); The Divine Christmas Gifts? (12/26/2016); The Peace of Christmas? (12/25/2016); Built Upon the Rock (12/23/2016); The Meaning of Christmas? (12/22/2016); Diversity and Prophetic Gifts (11/22/2016); The Cross and Arbitrary Differences (06/17/2016); Whatsoever Ye Shall Ask? (09/21/2015); Not Anti-Catholics, Antichrists? (09/22/2015); Many Forms of Christianity? (04/30/2015)

 

“Cato”, the existence of many denominations within the full household of GOD does not violate the “rule” of oneness without sameness that exists within the GODhead, and is little different from a father having many sons who are not the same age, do not share the same interests, and do not show the same willingness to do chores around the house.  Most mature Christian believers agree that divinity has appeared in flesh upon the earth as an answer to the many conflicts and questions that continually plague the living.  The aspects of revelation accomplished through the birth of Jesus Christ clarified, fulfilled, and also concluded various sacred covenants, proclamations, promises, and prophecies.  Even so, created beings and living creatures are not equipped to correctly recognize and respond to revealed truth from GOD until they receive a fresh endowment of spirit substance from the makeup of GOD.  Saying this another way, sinners must be born again; and once born again, believers must “grow up again” and mature by meeting life challenges upon the earth.  Diversity appears as an important device that is seen throughout Creation and among believers.  Without appearing in flesh (first as Jesus Christ, then, as his followers), divinity may only be known in relationship as immortal, immutable, invisible, and unchanging.  Through a human aspect, Jesus, the Son of Man, the Son of GOD, divine judgment is shown to center upon atonement, correction, forbearance, forgiveness, mercy, reconciliation, redemption, righteousness, and salvation.  Ethnicity, nationality, race, financial status, etc. are all “vain” (lack sacred substance).  Only GOD may make the necessary judgments of those who will be acknowledged as his offspring and heirs.  Thus, true believers will all patiently await the return of Jesus (we say, Advent, the harvest, the Rapture, the Second Coming, his appearing), and also practice restraint concerning condemnation, conflict, and differences.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

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Continuing to acknowledge the 2015 visit to the United States of America, Washington, DC and the United Nations by Pope Francis, more points are shared, today, as cautions and encouragements to Christian believers.  The followers of Jesus Christ must not become distracted:  Our focus is not to be earthquakes, wars, and rumors of war; or the terrors of apocalypse, the great tribulation, and the end time.  All Christians should be preparing to greet the Savior at his coming to harvest the earth.  Those who present themselves as expert critics opposing Catholic belief often are deluded, harbor the antichrist spirit, and lack accurate and full sacred knowledge about the doctrines and teachings they claim to be anchored in from their own congregation or denomination.  Because their efforts derive from pride and not the Spirit demonstrated through the ministry of Jesus Christ, the academicians, critics and intellectuals pursue self-justification, self-promotion, strong feelings (e.g., anger, bitterness, guilt) and vainglory.  Seeking to avoid having to answer authority within the body, such persons do not apply themselves using the available mechanisms maintained by the church that are intended to ensure fresh ideas and inputs for correction, development and progress be rigorously examined, shared, then expressed by practical applications within the full body.  These self-appointed critics parrot and repeat the classical arguments against the church, the Scriptures, and the existence of divinity focusing upon mankind and the beggarly aspects of finite creatures.  Thereby, the naysayer fails to discern their attacks actually are upon the Spirit who has been sent as the agent of the Lord.  Consider the following and the points appearing below:  1st John 2:  17-19, King James Version (KJV):  17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof:  but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.  18 Little children, it is the last time:  and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.  19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us:  but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

 

THE BATTLE AXE:  Whatsoever Ye Shall Ask? (09/21/2015)—(7.)  Christ has commanded that the believer “watch and pray” remaining alert and vigilant until his appearing.  However, it is our natural tendency to become associated with and be bound to others upon the basis of shared complaints, hardship and suffering.  Because they approach us as family members, friends, and respected teachers, those who criticize and oppose the church of Jesus Christ have opportunities to introduce the poisonous beliefs and ideas more properly called “heresy” or “malice” than “personal opinion.”  We listen to speech that promotes condemning others; denying freedom, life, privilege and opportunity to others as well as talk advocating hatred and violence against others.  As the new creation of GOD, born again believers are to be increasingly judicious as they continue to grow again in the earth serving as ambassadors and spokespersons of Christ.  While believers will encounter the same life challenges as all others upon the earth, more and more, they are to respond with sacred knowledge, godly practices, and the standards for eternal life.  By caution, discipline and restraint, believers avoid delusion and the damage from “itching ears.”  Luke 9:  51-56, King James Version (KJV):  51 And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,  52 And sent messengers before his face:  and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.  53 And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.  54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?  55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.  56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

(8.)  The GOD we laud and serve is a god of Judgment, therefore, his name and reputation also are known through death, evil (i.e., calamity, catastrophe, natural disasters, upheaval), terrible punishments, and wrath against sin.  Responding to this, many among Protestant believers are swift as judges and executioners, yet, are quick to reject doctrine and teachings that promote government, hierarchy, and the peculiar forms of line authority that appear within the institutional church (e.g., bishops, deacons, elders, parents, etc.).  Going further, we also find, there is a class among believers who are overwhelmed with fear on the basis of things prophesied as well as uncertainty that derives from a focus upon their continuing status as a sinner that is now rendered inappropriate, irrational, and irrelevant through the blood of Jesus.  The response we are commanded to provide through Christ, says, I would have mercy, not sacrifice.  Believers are to display balance, compassion, discernment, maturity, and stability.  Yet, again and again, some exaggerate their understandings of current events, their causes, and their spiritual significance.  As a result, historical and political figures, and those gaining public favor are labeled and identified as the final and ultimate enemies to the faithful.  Thus, Napoleon, Adolf Hitler, Pope Francis, and even, Donald Trump, have come under condemnation as the Anti-christ figure spoken of in prophecy.  2nd Thessalonians 2:  1-4, KJV:  1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,  2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.  3 Let no man deceive you by any means:  for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;  4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

(9.)  Many are combative when they respond to other believers as though they are striving to protect the life of Jesus while he is dying upon the cross.  In their zeal, they insist upon declaring and quoting the holy writings, however, they dismiss the true character and nature of the Scriptures as the breath of life, a still small voice, and the word of GOD.  Such critics respond to declarations of faith from others as argumentativeness, deliberate insult, quarreling, and a questioning of their integrity.  These may not be seen as correctly in the Sprit of Christ, for humility is the mark of Christ upon a believer.   Hebrews 4:  12-13, KJV:  12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.  13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight:  but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

(10.)  In the same way unasked for explanations are called “excuses,” unasked for advice is called “meddling.”  A contract and agreement must be in place between a student and a teacher, where the guidance offered is acknowledged with meekness and respect.  When it is clearly welcomed, Catholic and Protestant believers may make inquiry or pose questions to gain new information; however, they should avoid displaying attitudes, behavior and conduct that come across as efforts to condemn the beliefs of others, show-off spiritual superiority (be holier than thou), and provoke quarrels.  For the believer words whisper, while actions shout; and instead of our activity and busyness, operations by the imparted Spirit of GOD are what accomplishes a person’s salvation.  2nd Peter 2:  9-11, KJV:  9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:  10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.  11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  For the mystery of iniquity doth already work:  only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.  And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:  Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,  And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:  That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.  But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:  Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.  Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.  Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,  Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.  (2nd Thessalonians 2:  7-17, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Many Forms of Christianity? (04/30/2015); More About the Trinity? (03/30/2015); What To Say To A Friend?  (03/29/2015); On Christians Being Inclusive? (07/16/2014); War and Peace? (07/17/2014); Why Not One Bible? (11/02/2013); Why Jesus Used Parables (11/03/2013); Chosen To Serve As Prophets (01/01/2013); Lawful Revenge? (01/02/2013)

 

There is far more to be considered, and carefully understood.  For example, (11.)  Despite surface differences among denominations, Christians all are under a single rule:  One faith, one Lord, one baptism, one GOD and Father of all.  Christ has not called for competition and friction; the call is that we operate in one Spirit, and judgment does not proceed apart from divinity, or solely upon the basis of standards from mankind.  Thus, where a person properly pursues their own commitment to Christ with their whole heart, there is no possibility of their becoming deceived by the Adversary.  Satan is to be recognized by his abuse of authority, covetousness, cruelty, disrespect, envy, haughtiness, irreverence, and selfishness. With mankind, acquiring sacred knowledge comes only by exchange, interaction, and process within the living among the inseparable aspects of full divinity they contain such as faith, forbearance, holiness, longsuffering, love, wisdom, and wrath against sin.  Blamelessness, godliness, redemption, repentance and salvation are not the product of finite intellect, logic, philosophy, science and technology.  Men may only be deceived, then, where there is idolatry, spiritual confusion, and the worship of a false god who is not divine.  Condemnation of faith in others proceeds from carnal knowledge, and instances where flesh has been exalted above Spirit.  1st Corinthians 2:  9-16, KJV:  9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.  10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit:  for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.  11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.  12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.  13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.  14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:  for they are foolishness unto him:  neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.  15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.  16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

 

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

Acknowledging the visitation of Pope Francis to the Nation’s Capital and the United States of America, points are shared, today, on the widespread error among non-Catholics in criticizing Catholic expressions of faith, intimate relationship with Deity, and salvation through Jesus Christ.  In my experience, more often than not, those who condemn Catholic belief, practice, and worship do so having that profound ignorance that comes by dealing with subtleties (i.e., multiple barely visible differences or  unseen shifts in meaning and value), and are not a result of being entered into the lifetime of commitment for a Catholic believer with its continuous discipline, exhaustive study, and ongoing sacrificial practice.  While there are many who now claim title as atheists following years of experience within agencies and aspects of Catholic hierarchy, their anger, bitterness and complaints are not to be received as spiritual insight, revelation, and a critique from divinity that compares to those shared in the Bible for each of the seven churches of Asia.  Consider the following and the points appearing below:  Philippians 2:  5-15, King James Version (KJV):  5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:  6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:  7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:  8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.  9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:  10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;  11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.  12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.  13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.  14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings:  15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:  for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.  And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.  And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.  And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain:  for the former things are passed away.  And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write:  for these words are true and faithful.  And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.  He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.  (Revelation 21:  1-8, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  The Apocryphal Books? (08/07/2015); Catholics, Protestants and The Trinity? (10/12/2014); The Gift of Life Despised? (10/13/2014); Succession (02/05/2014); On Youth Doing Enough (02/06/2014); Hierarchy (11/14/2013); The Benefit of Law? (11/15/2013); Confessing Only to GOD? (04/08/2013); Evidence of the Unseen Spirit? (04/09/2013)

 

(1.)  The proper business of Protestant believers is not to argue, condemn, debate, dismiss and question the benefits or weaknesses of doctrine and practice among Catholic believers.  Completing the work of sharing the Gospel, preparing the body of believers for the Savior’s Advent, and reconciling oneself to judgment through confession, repentance, and sanctification is more necessary.  Those who repeatedly speak condemnation regarding such things as confession, genuflecting, or the mysteries of Rosary prayer usually do so having no part in those things, and speak from ignorance and common disbelief.  Romans 14:  4, King James Version (KJV):  4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up:  for God is able to make him stand.

(2.)  Many argue that Catholic (we say, universal) belief is unacceptable, because it goes beyond the Hebrew canon, the Gospels and new testament holy writings, and embraces such non-biblical texts as the Apochrypha and the writings of Saint Augustine.  In addition to Apostolic succession and traditions from the early church (established by those who were directly prepared and appointed through Jesus and the twelve), Catholics also acknowledge writings by others regarded as appointed and endowed through the Holy Spirit (we say, Church Fathers), including historians and scholars that, in the early centuries following the resurrection of Jesus, established the authenticity of early documents and teachings.  John 10:  15-17, KJV:  15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father:  and I lay down my life for the sheep.  16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:  them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.  17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

(3.)  In addition to formal instruction (catechism) provided to all members, Catholics may depend upon formal writings developed by the Bishops, the Popes, and other men of faith (we say, churchmen).  Given that the household of faith  founded through the blood of Jesus may be spoken of as the Bride of Christ, for many Catholics the authority of the Church is understood to be similar to, where not equal to,  that of the Husbandman.  The church is not to be a clone, a copy, a counterfeit, or a replacement for Jesus.  However, his wife is to be respected as a peer in 50-50 relationship, not as a concubine or slave.  Therefore, the business of “running the household” permits fixing Sunday as a day of rest and worship as well as calling forth aspects of new dispensation for those already ceased.  Isaiah 54:  5-8, KJV:  5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.  6 For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.  7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.  8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.

(4.)  Where the church is seen operating upon a different platform of truth that seems to deny the things of the early believers this is often because the body of Christ must continue to respond as a ministry of reconciliation practiced by Jesus, and must answer to current aspects of human development, lapses or progress in ways that are not conservative, and that must display the peculiar risk-taking required by believers having to continue upon the earth.  John 14:  11-13, KJV:  11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me:  or else believe me for the very works’ sake.  12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.  13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.)

(5.)  Where the church has been received as a body composed of the quick and the dead, it is neither impossible nor unreasonable that holy convocation would include the appearing of all believers from every age.  Clearly, the action and input from those in flesh will be different from those whose spirit aspect is separated from their carnal form through death; and many secret things known only to divinity will be in effect and present.  Romans 8:  5-14, KJV:  5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:  for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.  9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.  10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.  11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.  12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.  13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:  but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.  14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

There is far more to be considered, and carefully understood.  For example, (6.)  As among Catholics, Protestants acknowledge a principle that the church may receive the appointment of sacred officers and workers by the Holy Spirit.  Thus, just as Matthias was elected to serve as an apostle in place of Judas, such men as Martin Luther, Calvin, Newton and Zwingli are also being received as sent by GOD and his Christ.  Acts 1:  23-26, KJV:  23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.  24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,  25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.  26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

 
THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

Points are shared, today, to clarify why some presentations of the Bible include ancient writings that are called apocryphal (hidden away) books.  Most Protestant believers rely upon a Bible having only 66 books, while many Catholic believers may use a Bible having as many as 77 books. The many fragments and manuscripts  available to modern readers include controversial materials that were never given status as Scripture among the Jews, by Jesus, by the New Testament, by the early church, or by those spoken of as the church fathers.  Antilegomena (disputed; spoken against) and extra-canonical books also include numerous pseudepigrapha (false writings) that appeared as  apocalyptic and didactic religious compositions; many finally were held to be copy-cat, counterfeit, frauds, legendary, and unauthentic.  The fighter at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “Ronald” (Level 1 with 100 points, a member since August 04, 2015) posted the following:

Protestants; On what grounds do you have to omit 7 books from the Bible?

Roman Catholic bibles have 7 additional books whilst Protestant bibles don’t, I was wondering why that was?

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.  But I receive not testimony from man:  but these things I say, that ye might be saved.  He was a burning and a shining light:  and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.  But I have greater witness than that of John:  for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.  And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.  And ye have not his word abiding in you:  for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.  Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life:  and they are they which testify of me.  And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.  (John 5:  33-40, KJV)

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Can The Bible Be Increased? (05/31/2015); The Scriptures and Perfection? (10/27/2014); Catholics, Protestants and the Trinity? (10/12/2014); The Gift of Life Despised? (10/13/2014); The Issue Is Not Accuracy (05/16/2014); Denying Oneself (05/17/2014); Why Not One Bible? (11/02/2013); Why Jesus Used Parables (11/03/2013)

“Ronald”, here are a few points that may be helpful for you to consider:

(1.)  There are 14 books of scripture-like writings called “the Apocrypha” that were written in the more than 400-year period following the appearance of Malachi as the last of the Old Testament Prophets and the appearance of John the Baptist as the herald of Christ, and the first Prophet of the New Testament.  The various books written after the close of the Hebrew scriptures and before proclamation of the Gospel do not clearly continue the same doctrine, function, purpose, and eternal Spirit.  For many, their inclusion among the Holy Scriptures are strictly for historical and secular purposes.

(2.)  The existing books of the Bible, as a collection of sacred writings, have all individually undergone examination to determine that their pronouncements and prophesies are authentic, and genuinely from GOD.  In addition to scholarly study, sacred operations have been acknowledged that include endorsement of divine origin through fulfillment, miracles, sacred signs, supernatural events, wonders, and prayer.

(3.)  For Christian believers the process of identifying events, messages, and those sent as representatives from GOD is accomplished by application of sacred knowledge and standards that have been provided by divinity through the imparted spirit.  In the same way sin may be understood as influencing the operations of consciousness and self-will within created beings and living creatures, the Holy Spirit (also called the Comforter, the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Prophecy, the Spirit of Truth) is sent by Christ and the Father to establish permanent changes within the character and nature of believers through baptism (death of ones inborn spirit) and rebirth from divine seed.  Born-again believers must gradually grow again meeting life challenges upon the earth.  As they do so, they develop and practice spiritual discernment (a continuous sacred process wherein a person’s indwelling spirit from GOD serves as a standard to recognize divine spirit content in other persons and things).  Thus, even looking at the replies given you, here, a believer may see right away whether the “spirit” operating in the persons who have responded is in agreement with that of the holy writings, with the spirit of leaders within the church body, and with ones own communion and prayer life with Deity.

There is far more that could be said, and that must be correctly understood and spiritually taken into account.  (For example (4.)  All genuine sacred writings are an aspect of the full revelation whereby GOD makes divinity known to the living using utterance (we say, breath, spirit, word) that includes commandment, praise, prayer, proclamation, promise, prophecy, testimony and verdicts in judgment.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

Grace, gratitude, and life as a gift from GOD are topics, today.  Also, there is more on Catholics, Protestants and the Trinity.  A fighter at “Yahoo! Answers Canada” using the ID “INVINCIBLE” (Level 1 with 71 points, a member since September 07, 2014) posted the following:

 

If there’s god? let him be… why i should pray/ or be thankful?

i never asked him to give me anything, even this life, i don’t find any reason for this life…
it’s stupid, god gave me pain/happiness( if he’s there) which i never wanted/need…
and these holy books are asking me to pray him for this…..

 

THE BATTLE AXE:  Catholics, Protestants and The Trinity? (10/12/2014)—(5.)  In the same way those who left Egypt with Moses were blended and interwoven to serve as one nation, from its beginnings the process of expansion and growth for the Church created by Jesus Christ has been one of molding diverse persons to exist as one body through judgment (i.e., the resolution of conflicts and differences through discipline, doctrine, and law).  Many Christian believers dismiss the multiple differences among denominations as the expression of finite human needs, traditions, and the limited understandings of mankind, rather than the putting forth of divine precepts.  Labeled as charismatic or conservatives, such believers promote the old ways, resist change, and seek the primitive yet powerful teachings of the early church that came by prophetic demonstrations and revelation through the imparted Spirit from GOD (we say, the Comforter, the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Prophecy, the Spirit of Truth).  Jesus had carefully explained that the things he was teaching were all from the Father, and were already documented within the holy writings.  The Holy Spirit was to be welcomed and received as a direct agent, spokesperson, and expression of the will of Jesus Christ.  Called the “promise of the Father” and the “gift of the Spirit,” the agenda of the Spirit would be from the Son, and not from the Spirit himself.  Even so, there would be no contradiction or denial of the things from the Father.  Various historical events, interpretations, and overlays are not to be thought of as being able to erase or obscure the common truth for all believers that we call “the Gospel.”  Far from being dogma taught by brainwashing or propaganda, knowledge of the GODhead is discovered and achieved through common sense and discernment.  Consider again Matthew 7:  13-14 and 21-27; John 7:  17; John 16:  13; Luke 24:  13-27; 1st Corinthians 3:  11-13; Ephesians 2:  8-22; 2nd Timothy 2:  8-17 and 19-26, KJV.

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.  For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus’ sake.  For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.  But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.  We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;  Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;  Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.  For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus’ sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.  (2nd Corinthians 4:  3-11, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Good Intentions? (07/26/2014); The Bible is All About GOD? (07/27/2014); No Mystery in Lawful Judgment (07/28/2014); Life Choices (12/14/2013); That Mortal Children Die? (12/15/2013); His Burden Is Light? (09/21/2013); All Things Possible? (09/17/2013); Can One Escape? (09/18/2013); Gentiles and the Law? (09/19/2013)

 

“INVINCIBLE”, here are a few ideas important among Christian believers that should also be known among others who are finite, mortal, and not yet invulnerable (like yourself):

(1.)  For believers, commitment, gratitude, love, respect to GOD, and unselfish service are acknowledgments that one has been shown unmerited favor (we say, grace).  Existence and life proceed from a higher process and will than that of created beings and living creatures upon the earth.  It is spurious and unproductive to argue that life experience with its many challenges should only be a product of ones own inner being (e.g., anger, desire, fear, imagination, intellect, lust, passion).  It is a waste of your time, should someone give you permission to always stop the rain (so you will never become soaked again), unless, of course, they also give you authority and power that your will may be done.

(2.)  The holy writings were given to those asking for direction and guidance from GOD.  Believers are not being coerced or forced to do, or speak, or think anything they can not immediately grasp as an aspect of their own spirit and person.  Like your own, the existence of GOD requires nothing of you or anyone else; and GOD does not demand anything from those having nothing to offer.

There is far more to be said, correctly understood, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (3.)   Your question may be read as, Why should I want correct knowledge, and, Why can’t I have my own way in a world that does not belong to me?  The process of life can be more than a series of disconnected episodes, or cycles of self-destruction and despair.  Life can be an adventure of exploration and learning; and men can fashion  meaningful goals and purpose.  It remains, however, what you take for granted gets taken away; just as what you take for granted gets to take advantage of you.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

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