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Scriptures are shared, today, responding to a question on whether babies and small children will be taken up at the Rapture.  While children can be very important as life companions who minister, call forth, and challenge adults and their peers to openly display such human resources as creativity, love, patience, respect, strength, tenderness, and wisdom that otherwise would remain hidden and unseen, children often disrupt and upset believers in their service and stewardship to Christ.  Children may make great demands upon ones energy and time, because they are easily bruised, in poverty (i.e., without income, inheritance or savings), infirm, sickly, and weak.  Additionally, children often inspire vain hopes (i.e., expectations grounded in emotion, fantasy and imagination that are not enduring, and that are contrary to divine law, sacred promise, prophecy, and eternal purpose).  All believers should  employ balance, caution, consistency and thoroughness when dealing with small children.  Divinity may be understood as embracing infants and minor children in the same way earthly parents receive them—as vessels for self-expression and fulfillment, and as a peculiar manifesting of godly possibilities.  Upon the earth, children are resilient and able to thrive through unqualified acceptance, prior commitments, and the stability provided by specific non-negotiable, life conditions.  Because children also inherit the condition of sin in the earth, they too need the divine provisions of grace from GOD through Jesus Christ.  Included are atoning blood, fellowship with mature believers, forbearance, forgiveness, hope, joy, sacred discipline and training, sanctification, sealing, and status with Christ as joint-heirs.  Estella Precious Oyene, who participates with me in THE BIBLE STUDY GROUP (a Public Group on Facebook presently having 19,307 members), posted the following there on August 24 at 8:22am:


Will babies and young children be taken at rapture?


THE GOLDEN ARROW:  But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.  For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.  For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:  and the dead in Christ shall rise first:  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:  and so shall we ever be with the Lord.  Wherefore comfort one another with these words.  (1st Thessalonians 4:  13-18, KJV)


THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Justifying GOD? (03/15/2015); Understanding Spiritual Growth? (03/13/2015); Babies Given A Second Life?  (01/25/2015); About “The Just” (10/29/2014); Antidotes to the Poisons  (10/30/2014); Family and Beliefs of Children? (08/29/2014); Stories Repeated in the Bible? (08/30/2014); About the Second Coming? (01/18/2014)


Estella Precious Oyene, be encouraged!  As with their parents, salvation for a child is by sacred operations of GOD, not by their own efforts or that of their caretakers.  Through Christ, salvation comes as a lawful inheritance, and is not a product of human innocence and simplicity.  In the holy writings, Jesus Christ and his apostles often speak to adults calling them “little children” to acknowledge their absolute dependence upon GOD for rebirth, their new standing as blameless, their vulnerability, and their shared needs for  fullness, maturity, and stability.  As adults who are developing to be Christian believers, we often dismiss and overlook the many sensitive issues surrounding the salvation of our smallest children that are raised by those outside of the body.  In addition to concerns that on the surface are practical and reasonable about how much sacred knowledge a child must possess to understand the things of religion, there are questions on how a minor child may correctly exercise their own self-will to choose or deny being in relationship with Christ.  Some, who are bitter and resentful even accuse GOD charging that salvation is coerced, forced and violently thrust upon children (they repeatedly say, brain-washing) because the little ones are young, and unsuspecting.  In the spirit of the Adversary, the Devil, some cry that there is great cruelty and injustice on the part of GOD, for divine judgment and Christ harvesting believers from the earth may condemn a mother, and separate her from her nursing child!  Be not deceived.  It is ones spirit content from the makeup of divinity that certifies them as belonging to Christ not their age, hair color, intellect, size, weight, or other individual characteristics.  Consider again the following points that come to us through the Holy Bible:

(1.)  Psalms 127:  3, King James Version (KJV):  3 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD:  and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

(2.)  Psalms 131:  1-2, KJV:  1 LORD, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty:  neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.  2 Surely I have behaved and quieted myself, as a child that is weaned of his mother:  my soul is even as a weaned child.

(3.)  1st Corinthians 7:  10-15, KJV:  10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:  11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband:  and let not the husband put away his wife.  12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord:  If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.  13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.  14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband:  else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.  15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases:  but God hath called us to peace.

(4.)  Matthew 19:  13-15, KJV:  13 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.  14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me:  for of such is the kingdom of heaven.  15 And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence.

(5.)  Romans 8:  5-10, KJV:  5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:  for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.  9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.  10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

(6.)  Romans 8:  13-19, KJV:  13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:  but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.  14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.  15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.  16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:  17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

There is much more that could be said, and that must be correctly understood and spiritually taken into account.  (For example,  (7.)  Numbers 14:  30-32, KJV:  30 Doubtless ye shall not come into the land, concerning which I sware to make you dwell therein, save Caleb the son of Jephunneh, and Joshua the son of Nun.  31 But your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, them will I bring in, and they shall know the land which ye have despised.  32 But as for you, your carcases, they shall fall in this wilderness.)  Even so, I trust this collection of verses will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.


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    As we enter into the New Year, 2015, many of us are concerned for our immediate future as Christian believers.  Having a mix of desires, disappointments, dreams, and expectations, believers too are asking:  What will happen for me, now?  Will things get better, or stay pretty much the same?  Will I finally fall in love, or meet someone to be my life companion?  Will I finally have the miracle I’ve been praying for; or will I experience the coming of Jesus, and the end of the world as we now know it?  Will I see in my lifetime the harvest, the Rapture, and other sacred events proclaimed, promised and prophesied in the Bible?  Will I finally give up, and stop trying to hold on to things we know are impossible?

    Because we are in a divinely ordered and structured process of growth and transformation, and believers are the focus of multiple sacred operations carried out by the Holy Spirit that are intended to establish permanent changes, everyone will continue to experience a broad range of the positive and negative feelings that anchor us in our humanity.  There will be enduring the unexpected, and facing the unknown.  There will be fear and uncertainty; anger and frustration.  There will be defiance and resistance.  There will be contentment, joy, and satisfaction.  In the midst of many storms, there will be peace.  In short there will be challenge after challenge with unfulfilled hope until the day of Christ’s appearing.

    On the one hand, the life of a Christian is the same rollercoaster of experience that all upon the earth must endure.  On the other hand, believers are marching to Zion supplied from the onset with guidance and instruction from Jesus, fellowship with other believers, a fresh endowment of sacred content from the makeup of divinity (e.g., faith, holiness, love), sacred knowledge through study of the holy writings, and new insights that emerge over time as they continue to pursue their journey. 

    For believers, diverse questions and thoughts are not so much a result of the changing times as the outcome of shifts in focus where believers lose sight of the eternal goals of divinity that have been revealed through Jesus Christ.  What we are commanded to expect and be ready for (we say, our hope) is unchanging.  My hope is built on nothing less than Jesus’ blood and righteousness.  At the Advent, the Second Coming of Jesus, mankind is to become immortal and incorruptible, to live upon the earth made new, and serve as an eternal companion to Deity.  For now, Creation continues, and GOD is completing numberless sacred operations to fulfill the spirit potential of man to be more than a mere animal or carnal being.  Thus, there are such features revealed as atonement, correction, forbearance, forgiveness, longsuffering, perfection, redemption, salvation, and sanctification.

As we begin the New Year, 2015, think it not strange that there will be affliction, hardship, or fiery trials.  Let us continue our deliberate choice to experience salvation through Jesus Christ in spite of all opposition that arises by disease, covetousness, envy, ignorance, poverty, pride, selfishness, sin, temptation, or tribulation.  Let us resolve again to hear our Sovereign say, Well done thou good, and faithful servant.  Where you have done it for the least of these my brethren, you have done it unto me.


THE GOLDEN ARROW:  But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.  The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.   Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,  Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?  Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.  Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.  (2nd Peter 3:  8-14, KJV)


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      Whether or not GOD seeks mankind, and mankind seeks Satan is considered along with more on the “lake of mercy.” A “Yahoo! Answers” writer using the ID “grfisgd” (Level 6 with 16,761 points, a member since August 29, 2007) posted the following:

Christians, do you agree with these points?

Satan seeking man (no need for a person to seek Satan:

(1 Peter 5:8)

“Be alert, be reflective, because your enemy Satan roars like a lion and is walking and seeking whom he may devour.”

Jesus knocking at the door verse:

“Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.”

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Just trying to write my own notes through study. And I sorta learned this in my own way of understanding.

1. God, Jesus, asks us (His children) to come to Him. He wants us to believe in Him so we can be saved. So does God seek man or should man seek God?

2. Opposite of that, Satan seeks God’s children instead of people seeking Satan (occults, witchcraft influences, earthly, materialistic things etc.)So its possible regardless of belief Satan will enter someone life without them seeking Satan. Opposite of Jesus knocking at your door. Satan just invites himself in your house.

THE BATTLE AXE: The “Lake of Mercy” (11/03/2012)—With the removal of all believers in Christ who are vessels of his life and spirit, the earth will become dark and joyless. Those that are made slaves to sin eventually have no power to resist, and are deprived of all self-will, and sacred understanding. Altered by sin, angels, men and other beings lose the divine endowment that established ones authority, ones identity as a created being or living creature, and ones power to operate within frameworks of time and space. Those consigned to the lake of destruction are empty and void of divinity; they exist, however, they do not have life (i.e., being, godliness, and person). As corrupt, lifeless objects (we could say “rubbish”) they do not call forth benevolence and kindness. The figure of a lake (a pool and standing body of water, instead of running water like a river or stream), pictures a finite and limited natural resource that is nonetheless abundant, bounteous, and measureless. The fearful torment to those left behind at the Rapture is not that described by physical pain. The spiritual condition of the wicked is to be seen as an unbearable separation from GOD such that their destruction may be regarded as heartfelt compassion and pity. As a mechanism of the law and judgment, mercy emerges by precepts, principles, and truth, and is made visible in accordance with the specifics of each case.

THE GOLDEN ARROW: And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. (2nd Corinthians 3: 4-6, King James Version)

THE DOUBLE DAGGER: Caesarea Philippi (10/22/2012); Spirit Matter (10/21/2012); The Spirit is Willing (10/20/2012); When Prayer Works (10/11/2012); Sin Unknown? (10/10/2012); Coveting The Throne (03/07/2012); On Going to Heaven (01/13/2012)

      Here are some thoughts from Christ that have been found helpful by many mature believers:

      Human language does not correctly describe the various aspects of divine person, sacred process, and spiritual purpose. We continue to use “buzz words” like “seek”, “find”, “learn” and “discover” speaking of being and existence, the makeup of reality and truth, and the substance of divinity. Our language is imperfect, however, it does allow us to exchange and share many truths that would otherwise have to remain unspoken. For example, Almighty GOD is a spirit person, and is not a carnal, material or social life form; yet, we repeatedly use “he”, “him” and titles of respect to speak of GOD as if the Maker is a human being. The holy angels, as created of GOD, are sprit-beings; however, they are not a fullness of divine spirit as GOD is. The angels are neither mortal (as men are) nor immortal (as GOD is). While the angels represent a unique and finite expression of divine mind, they are not in the oneness of spirit-person as are Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

      Satan exists in the earth as a prince and ruler from among the angels. In their creation, the angels were endowed with the full measure of knowledge and wisdom they would use throughout their service. Angels do not acquire truth as men do through experience over time granted to mankind as growth and learning. The angels were provided with such gifts as ability, authority, and feeling; and they were not given “sin”, a knowledge of sin, or an ability to repent for sin. Sin opposes the existence of divine law, of rule by GOD, and of existence for all things created of GOD. Also, sin generates spiritual confusion, and alters the divine content of created beings and living creatures. When sin (i.e., corruption) was found among the angels, destructive separation from divine person already had begun.

      The techniques for rule among the angels, and within the heaven, are not all appropriate for the earth and mankind. Thus, Satan is incapable of full and open dominion. Through deceit, misdirection and various wiles, he and his followers are able to exercise a limited influence upon mankind. Divine rule of mankind is now contested by sin, human ignorance, self-will, and weakness of the flesh. Acknowledgment of GOD (what we call “worship”) goes forward correctly only through ones inner awareness from the imparted, indwelling spirit supplied from GOD. Through the ministry of Jesus Christ upon the earth, and from the heavens, mankind may receive an additional endowment of sacred substance from the person of Almighty GOD. Included are faith, holiness, humility, longsuffering, wisdom and wrath against sin.

      There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended. (For example, men do not seek GOD so much as right knowledge of GOD (truth), and right standing with GOD (relationship). Satan does not seek relationship with men as equals or peers; nor does he seek to eat human flesh and blood. His lust is for control, power, and vindication.) Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.


     Today’s presentation, a BATTLE AXE and GOLDEN ARROW only, completes a discussion of whether those not taken up in the Rapture will have opportunity to repent, and to be saved. Also, in obedience, there is this:

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. (1st Thessalonians 4: 13-18, KJV)

THE BATTLE AXE: After the Rapture? (11/01/2012)—Events that lead up to the Rapture include the documentation of works in what is called “The Lamb’s book of life”, and an ongoing divine examination of all created beings and living creatures who participate in any of the many covenants with GOD. The focus of final judgment goes far beyond ones repentance, and will also scrutinize actions to bestow forgiveness, initiative, obedience, prophecy (i.e., comfort, edification, and exhortation), sharing the “good news,” and the believer’s full sacred content (such aspects of divine nature as faith, holiness, humility, longsuffering, love, righteousness, truth, wisdom and wrath against sin). Even though they will have seen Christ in full glory, those left behind will deny, dismiss, “explain away,” and cling to “scientific explanations” that serve as their comfort zone. Thus, events that follow the Rapture will include those who account themselves rulers over the earth exacting payment, tribute and worship from all living. Conditions will be very like those described in Scripture (for example, Nehemiah 9). The rulers will have power over their bodies and their property, and the servitude of mankind will continue as a condition of great distress. Usury and exaction of debt will be widespread. There will be buying and selling on the Sabbath; and no time of godly refreshing and rest will be observed. Bitterness, despair, lust and madness will spread; and the gathering of armies to go up against GOD will begin.

THE GOLDEN ARROW: Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. (Revelation 20: 6-12, KJV)

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     The possibility of repentance following the Rapture, and more on salvation through childbearing appear, today.  The “Yahoo! Answers” writer using the ID “Larissa” (Level 1 with 90 points, a member since October 30, 2012) posted the following:

After the rapture will it be to late to repent?

THE BATTLE AXE:  Saved in Childbearing (10/31/2012)—While every female may come into increased attention, honor and respect from her family, friends, and community by giving birth to a child, the love of GOD and salvation are not conferred through the animal and human acts of copulation, impregnation, labor, and delivery.  A woman’s awareness of her place in divine purpose must be transformed.  All her core beliefs and ideas for existence must expand and shift.  Included are her feelings and thoughts on change, condemnation, death, duty, fear, forgiveness, health, growth, innocence, love, maturity, obedience, pain, parenting, truth, strength, and eternal life.  Contrary to the initial plan, Adam (the name used by GOD for both the male and female) was made to be mortal after their self-will had been yielded to sin, and the full endowment of Spirit from GOD deposited within them had become inaccessible to them, lost and suppressed.   As created beings, finite, mortal and temporal, that would have no continuity and permanence, mankind could no longer exist in correct relationship to eternal divinity.  Birth followed by rebirth are sacred processes and operations to install the divine image, person and spirit content where reproduction determines only kind, form and species.  Going further, everlasting life and the hallowed inheritance of the divine nature within mankind is fostered, generated and preserved through nonnegotiable provisions of eternal law serving as the expressed will of GOD.  Thus, childbearing also is seen as essential to the integrity and soundness of sacred law that was in place before all life began.

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:  Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.  Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:  Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.  But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.  To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever.  Amen.  (1st Peter 5:  6-9, KJV)

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  The Gospel not Logical? (09/16/2012); Chances for Change (09/15/2012); Returning To GOD (02/23/2012); The Prophets (02/24/2012); Binder 37:  We Have Waited (11/03/2011); Binder 36:  All Things New (11/02/2011)

     Here are some understandings important to mature Christian believers:

     The Rapture (also called his appearing, the Second Advent, the Second Coming) is spoken of as Christ reaping the harvest of souls that has grown up from the seeds planted through his ministries in the earth, and from the heaven.  Continuing to use the agricultural and farming metaphor, the harvest must be mature, ready and ripe before the work of ingathering begins.  Because bad seed has been planted by the Devil and his children, many hateful and noxious plants have also grown up, and are ripe.  Thus, the work of ingathering must also be a work of separation whereby the products of good seed are embraced, and the products of bad seed are cut down, removed, and destroyed by fire.  While they were still only seed and seedlings, no clear difference could be seen consistently between the bad and good plants.  In their final stages of growth, however, their fruit and byproducts are openly displayed before mankind, before GOD, and before all the host of heaven.

     Many trust that there is a period of possibility following the departure of the sanctified and saved.  They hold that those raised from the dead along with the living that remain in the earth have opportunity to change, repent, and return to GOD.  However, all the elements vital to salvation will no longer exist in the earth.  Included are acknowledgment of divine law, the anointed assemblies, the preaching of the Gospel, the holy Scriptures, and the imparted, indwelling spirit of Christ, the Holy Ghost.  The unhindered influence of angry and self-destructive spirits will make it that sin is unrestrained.  The lake of fire will become the mercy of GOD to release the unregenerate from their misery.

     There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, the Rapture is also called the first resurrection.  In that sacred event, believers are “caught up to meet him in the air,” because the earth will be too defiled and polluted from sin for him to set foot upon it.  All those taken up to GOD in that sacred event are called “blessed.”  In the second resurrection that follows, Christ does not approach the earth at all.  The wicked are brought before him as the judge who sits upon the great white throne.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.