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Today, reply is on whether the Great Commission appearing in the Gospel of Matthew teaches that GOD is a trinity.  A fighter in the “Yahoo! Answers” Religion and Spirituality forum using the ID “Anonymous” (no profile information shared) posted the following:

 

How does Matthew 28:18 teach that God is a trinity?
Jesus tells his disciples to baptize people in the name of his God, the Father and of himself and the holy spirit. Where does Jesus say that he is a part of his God and that all three make up the one God?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:  but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.  (1st John 3:  2, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Christianity Is A Relationship (04/05/2018); Jesus Called “Almighty GOD?” (12/21/2017); Jesus Demonstrated Perfected Humanity (10/29/2017); All Who Express Divinity (06/21/2016); The GOD Part of Jesus? (05/06/2015); Aspects of Divinity? (06/15/2014); Son of Adam and of GOD? (06/16/2014); Focus of Believers? (06/17/2014)
 

“Anonymous”, because we understand personhood as an attribute of divinity, as Christian believers, our ways of speaking and thinking about GOD include such elements as communication, Incarnation, interaction, names, praise, prayer, relationships, sacrifice, and titles.  Even so, our consciousness of Jesus Christ as an aspect of divine fullness (we say, Deity; the Godhead; the Trinity; the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) does not result from a single statement in Scripture, a single sacred event (we say, miracle), or a single account (we say, gospel) of the life and ministry of Jesus on the earth.  The revelation of divine fullness through the holy writings must address aspects of sacred process and proclamation that occur before the frameworks of time and space, before the platforms of heaven and earth.  The holy writings, therefore, provide multiple streams of sacred truth (e.g., government chronicles, covenants, doctrine, divine law, promises, prophecy, visions), and require that sinners be apprehended by GOD (we say, born again; become incarnations of divinity) through fresh endowments of inseparable spirit substance imparted from the makeup of GOD that establish the possibility for created beings and living creatures to exist as Christ-like, a new creation, and the offspring of GOD.  Consider again the following that uses language from the Bible:

(1.)  Matthew 28:  16-20, King James Version (KJV):  16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.  17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him:  but some doubted.  18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.  19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:  20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:  and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

(2.)  John 17:  11, KJV:  11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

(3.)  John 17:  20-26, KJV:  20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;  21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:  that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.  22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:  23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.  24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me:  for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.  25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee:  but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.  26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it:  that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

(4.)  Isaiah 63:  16, KJV:  16 Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not:  thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.

There is far more that should be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (5.)  John 14:   8-14, KJV:  8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.  9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?  10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself:  but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.  11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me:  or else believe me for the very works’ sake.  12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.  13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.  14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

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Today, reply is on doctrine of the Trinity, the Gospel, sacred knowledge, and the process of GOD for relationship with mankind.  Man is to live on the earth and become mature for more perfect companionship with divinity through life experiences that include rebirth, discovery, gradual growth, praise, prayer, practice of holy sacraments, and unselfish service.  One of the fighters in the “Yahoo! Answers” forum who uses the ID “Anonymous” (no profile information appears) posted the following in the Religion and Spirituality section:

 

Did Abraham, Noah, and all the prophets know that God was a Trinity or was that only revealed during Jesus’ time?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.  He came unto his own, and his own received him not.  But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:  Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.  John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me:  for he was before me.  And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.  For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.  No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.  (John 1:  10-18, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  What Divine Salvation Requires (05/15/2018); Sabbath Acknowledges Divine Personhood? (05/14/2018); Firstborn Of Every Creature (05/09/2018); The Origin And Source (04/26/2018); Christianity Is A Relationship (04/05/2018); Thoughts On Divine Personhood (12/07/2017); That GOD Is Immutable (05/04/2017); 3 Persons, 3 Minds? (02/03/2016)

 

“Anonymous”, revelation whereby divinity now becomes knowable, known, accessible, and approachable must appear for mankind using Incarnation and the frameworks of time and space.  The church and the doctrines of grace, repentance, and salvation did not exist in the beginning, and appeared in accordance with sacred process.  Consider the following that may enrich your study on the revelation of divine fullness (we say, the Godhead; the Trinity; the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit):

1.  The Creator immediately began to communicate, exchange, and interact with Adam in ongoing relationship in the first Sabbath that followed the creation of the female, Eve.

2.  Sacred knowledge, divine law, and multiple streams of sacred truth are unchanging as artifacts of divine personhood and eternal purpose that remain everlasting, immortal, and incorruptible.

3.  Changes in mankind, the holy angels, and relationship with divinity were introduced through the operations of sin that included correction, death, mortality, priesthood, rebirth, resurrection, and the second death.

4.  While mankind may receive fresh endowments of spirit substance from the makeup of GOD (we say, the imparted, indwelling Spirit), those “born again” must “grow up again” and become mature/ripe for harvest from the earth at the Advent of Jesus Christ (we say, his appearing; the Rapture; the Second Coming).  The finite tools for gaining secular knowledge must be put aside, and developing believers must rely on such divine gifts as atonement, covenant, forbearance, forgiveness, prophecy, and reconciliation.

Also, here are some points that use language from the Bible:

(1.)  Deuteronomy 29:  29, King James Version (KJV):  29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God:  but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

(2.)  2nd Peter 1:  16-21, KJV:  16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.  17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.  18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.  19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:  20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.  21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:  but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

(3.)  1st Peter 1:  7-16, KJV:  7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:  8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:  9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.  10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:  11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.  12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.  13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;  14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:  15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;  16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

There is far more that should be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.)  Luke 24:  25-27, KJV:  25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:  26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?  27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

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The Heavens Declare

 

While many in America and around the world are honoring Citizen, Martin Luther King, Jr., today, our blog is on the sharing of glory among the three persons of the full GODhead (the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) and the glory bestowed by Christ upon his disciples.  When speaking of Deity and sacred persons, glory is understood as the excellence attributed to divine actions and deeds, that may include marvels, sacred events (miracles), signs, and wonders.  Divine traits and defining features also are spoken of as glory such as humility, the thoughts of GOD, and virtue.  A fighter in the “Yahoo! Answers” forum using the ID “fixerken” (Level 7 with 30,276 points, a member since August 30, 2006) posted the following:

 

At John 17:22 it speaks of God’s glory [do’-ksä] that the Heavenly Father gave his?

only begotten Son Jesus Christ that Jesus gave to his disciples so they could be one just as Jesus and his Father are one! What is this glory Jesus is speaking of?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;  Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.  And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.  Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility:  for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.  Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:  Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.  Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:  Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.  But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.  To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.  (1st Peter 5:  2-11, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  From Glory to Glory (11/14/2017); Our Glory From GOD (09/24/2017); The Hope of Glory (03/02/2017); Recognizing Jesus in Glory (02/05/2017); To Give Glory? (11/11/2015); The Glory of GOD? (06/23/2015); Filling the House With Glory? (08/17/2014); False Angels of Light? (08/16/2014)

 

“fixerken”, glory has to do with how divinity is known by what is shared as well as by what is distinct or separate among the consecrated persons (i.e., the divine name; reputation).  Glory may be thought of as a facet of divine dominion, majesty, sovereignty, and splendor.  There are multiple appearances, displays, and forms that have served and been used to reveal the glory of full divinity.  Included have been the covering that was on Adam who was made in the image of GOD; the Tabernacle fashioned on earth patterned after that in heaven; the Ark of the Covenant; the Shekinah who rested on the seat of judgment within the veil; Jesus Christ Incarnate in his hour of transfiguration; the Resurrected Christ ascending into heaven; and the Holy City (New Jerusalem) that will descend from heaven to the earth.  Commitment, correction, forbearance, forgiveness, mercy, and purity should all be discerned as displays of divine glory.  The earth itself and the universe that envelopes the earth also are expressions of the glory of GOD who is their Creator and Maker, and who continues to put forth existence, duration, judgment, life, righteousness, and truth. 

Sinners who become “born again” will become vessels containing spirit substance from the makeup of GOD.  As those who will become known as Christians, “developing believers,” and the sons and daughters of GOD, they may be thought of as sharing glory from the Son of the Highest in the same way guests are to share the joy of a bride and groom becoming blessed through holy matrimony, yet, do not receive the same authority, presence, privilege, and relationship as the divinely blessed pair. 

The appearances of divine glory display differences in their expanse, extent, and fullness.  Even so, members of the church headed by Jesus, and saints within his kingdom will exist eternally as inseparable aspects of the personal glory manifest by the Son before the Father, the Spirit, the Host of heaven, and before all that has ever existed and, will ever exist.  Glory should be understood as pertaining to the integrity of divine being, oneness without sameness for the full GODhead, the multiple elements of sacred personhood, and their mutual affirmation that is the bond of perfection (we say, love).  Consider again the following that use language from the Bible:

(1.)  Isaiah 48:  9-11, King James Version (KJV):  9 For my name’s sake will I defer mine anger, and for my praise will I refrain for thee, that I cut thee not off.  10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.  11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it:  for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

(2.)  1st Corinthians 15:  39-50, KJV:  39 All flesh is not the same flesh:  but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.  40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial:  but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.  41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars:  for one star differeth from another star in glory.  42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:  43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory:  it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:  44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.  45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.  46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.  47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.  48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy:  and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.  49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.  50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

There is far more to be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended regarding the person of Jesus Christ.  (For example, (3.)  Revelation 3:  17-21, KJV:  17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:  18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.  19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten:  be zealous therefore, and repent.  20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock:  if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.  21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

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Glass Trinity

A Depiction of the Three Aspects/Persons of Divine Fullness:
The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit

 

Today, reply is on the absence of a “Mother” among the three spirit appearances of divine person.  Without re-opening the quarrels against Mary the birth-mother of Jesus being respected with a title (The Mother of GOD), the Trinity comes into view here as a spirit entity that should not be thought of as like any ordinary human individual.  The exalted character, makeup, and possibilities of GOD must be acknowledged as on a higher plane than that of the angels and mortal men.  Many Christian believers are appalled to think that men on the earth still dare describe the sovereign over all Creation by using “weak and beggarly elements” such as gender, ethnicity, nationality, politics, race, or the amount of earthly wealth men accumulate and squander.  A writer in the “Yahoo! Answers” forum using the ID “Bubba” (Level 2 with 652 points, a member since November 24, 2016) posted the following:


Religion: Can someone give some insight to the below statement?

If God is referred to as the Father, then who is the Mother? Serious question.

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;  To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;  Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.  (Hebrews 7:  1-3, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Thoughts On Divine Personhood (12/07/2017); GOD Appearing As Christ (12/03/2017); In Order To Understand (12/01/2017); All Divinity in ONE? (11/17/2017); The Mother of GOD? (12/09/2016); The Gender of GOD? (12/29/2015); A Kindness to Mary? (04/21/2013); When GOD Controls? (04/22/2013)

 

“Bubba”, GOD is a spirit who does not display gender except when using human form (we say, using embodiment; Incarnation).  Spirit substance can not be known relying on finite human tools such as emotion, intellect, secular knowledge, logic, and carnal reason.   Divine spirit is diffuse (i.e., may spread over a boundless expanse without loss of adherence, coherence, and integrity), is invisible to the human eye, and is without dimension (i.e., can not be measured in accordance with patterns from the frameworks of time and space like density, depth, height, and length).  The fullness (entire array) of divine spirit substances are being revealed to created beings and living creatures as the GODhead (the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit), and are not like the many material things we compare to spirit that have particles (e.g., clouds, fog, mist, smoke).  Included are inseparable spirit content from the full makeup of divinity such as faith, forbearance, holiness, humility, longsuffering, lovingkindness, righteousness, wisdom, and wrath against sin.  Because the church is a spiritual body created by divinity and endowed with those spirit gifts, only the church is spoken of as the “bride of Christ.”

Serious answers and responses to your question from Christian believers can take many forms, for the “active presence” (we also say, breath, life essence, spirit, Word) who is GOD indwells sinners who become “born again.”  As among the three persons of the single GODhead, believers will display accord and oneness without sameness.  The inborn spirit must die, be buried, and be raised from the dead; and the sinner must be reborn having divine DNA, so to speak.  Because developing believers have a fresh endowment of spirit substance from the makeup of GOD, Christians may be called the children of GOD, joint heirs with Jesus Christ as well as priests and kings, saints within the kingdom of GOD, and the new creation.  The reproduction of the image of GOD in mankind is a sacred process, rather than a mechanical or natural process such as we see in sexual reproduction.  What some count as the distinct expressions and traits from a mother (e.g., gentleness, obedience, patience, strength, sweetness, the ability to weep unselfishly for and with others) should appear through every member of the body of Christ (the church).  Consider the following that uses language from the Bible:

(1.)  John 4:  23-24, King James Version (KJV):  23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth:  for the Father seeketh such to worship him.  24 God is a Spirit:  and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

(2.)  Galatians 4:  4-7, KJV:  4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,  5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.  6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.  7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

(3.)  Romans 8:  5-9, KJV:  5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:  for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.  9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

There is far more to be said, correctly examined, and made a part of our own spirit makeup.  (For example, (4.)  Revelation 19:  7-11, KJV:  7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him:  for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.  8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white:  for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.  9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.  9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.  10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not:  I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus:  worship God:  for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.  11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

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One Stream IntertwinedA Depiction of The Fullness of Divinity Streaming As A Single Deity Who Presents Personhood Through 3 Discrete Aspects

 

Today, thoughts are shared on the Holy Spirit, and differences between divine and human “personhood”.  The “mystery” of the Holy Spirit (we also say, the Comforter, the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Prophecy, the Spirit of Truth) is his existence as invisible substance (we say, spirit), and his undeniable appearance through deeds and works.  The sacred operations and process of GOD include affirmation, covenant, discovery, edification, forbearance, gradual growth, posing and responding to questions with revelation, giving and requiring respect as well as appearing through ongoing exchange and relationship.  Inseparable aspects of the full array for divine substances include elements that together exist, interact, and can be perceived by created beings and living creatures as higher order entities who are accountable as the causes, origins, and source for meaning and objects having quality and value.  The three divine persons display authority, immortality and incorruption, and are a single active presence.  Thus, aspects of personhood displayed by the Holy Spirit should be discerned as including balance, comfort, compassion, consciousness, gratitude, interdependence, motive, oneness without sameness, purpose, and restraint.  A fighter in the “Yahoo! Answers” forum using the ID “Monica P” (Level 6 with 16,494 points, a member since July 15, 2008) posted the following:

 

If you believe The Holy Spirit is a person please tell why?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities:  for we know not what we should pray for as we ought:  but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.  And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.  And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.  For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.  Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called:  and whom he called, them he also justified:  and whom he justified, them he also glorified.  What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?  He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?  (Romans 8:  26-32, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  That GOD Is Moral? (11/24/2017); Leadings of the Spirit (11/05/2017); Knowing the Invisible GOD (09/17/2017; The Fullness of GOD? (05/21/2017); The Holy Spirit “Begotten”? (02/27/2017); Receiving the Holy Spirit (12/08/2016); The Focus Upon Spirit (09/12/2016)

 

“Monica P”, here are some thoughts you may find helpful on divine possibilities: 

Many mature Christian believers continue to describe the full character, makeup, and substance of divinity as the GODhead (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).  Divine “personhoood” (we also say, person and personness) is acknowledged as an inseparable aspect of divinity in accordance with the appearance of multiple divine operations (e.g., creation, forgiveness, judgment, reconciliation, salvation); the application and provision of “sacred” not “secular” knowledge; the institution of sacred practices (we say, sacraments such as baptism, confession, holy matrimony, repentance); and the embodiment of spirit substance and sovereign will (e.g., divine law, praise, priesthood, the church).

Where we speak of GOD as “the Trinity,” we are using a language and sequencing device for grouping concepts and ideas (we say, “analysis” to acknowledge discrete parts that make up a whole).  Properly understood, the fullness of immortal, incorruptible GOD can not be cut up, dissected and sectioned into smaller units within the frameworks of time and space by using finite human tools (e.g., emotion, intellect, logic, philosophy, carnal reason, science).  Even so, fixed and regular patterns do appear that allow us to consider specific operations of GOD among men that include the following:

(1.)  The Holy Spirit that operated in the Creation acted with direction and purpose that describe personhood, being in accord with others, and responding to a shared standard when putting forth the spheres of life (heaven and earth).

(2.)  The Son of GOD imparted balance, existence, life, divine personhood, presence, and more to establish mankind as a living soul having the “image” of GOD (we also say, life essence, breath, spirit, Word). 

(3.)  The active presence who is the Holy Spirit appears within continuous covenant relationships using elements to be visible among men such as blood, fire, water, praise, prayer, proclamation, promise, and prophecy.

(4.)  In water baptism there are death, burial and resurrection of ones inborn spirit with rebirth from divine DNA, so to speak.  Deposits of inseparable spirit substance are imparted to mankind by the Holy Spirit that include faith, holiness, longsuffering, lovingkindness, meekness, righteousness, wisdom, and wrath against sin.

There is far more to be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (5.)  The Holy Spirit provided gifts of spirit process and substance to the early church at Pentecost to authenticate the divinity of Christ; comfort, build up, and encourage the believers to continue the ministry and work of Christ as well as to begin their preparation for the return of Jesus (we say, Advent, harvest, the Rapture, the Second Coming). )  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.
THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

 

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Today, focus is on mathematics as a tool for describing and knowing divinity that can introduce spiritual confusion, and its use be a form of idolatry.  Properly understood, spirit substance is immeasurable.  Because of the many subtleties involved (barely visible differences; hidden shifts in meaning, quality, and value) human attainments are often thought to be manifestations of divine power.  Included are astronomy, history, medicine, science and technology.  Arithmetic and mathematics are closed number systems that only permit the assignment, quantification, and manipulation of discrete values in accordance with fixed patterns and regularities.  While divinity appears as immortal, immutable, incorruptible, and unchanging, Deity also manifests the highest authority, dominion, divine prerogative, and sovereign will that establish autonomy, independence, and sanctification.  GOD is only predictable on the basis of his own acts of revelation, proclamation, promise, and prophecy; and will always remain mystery in multiple aspects of sacred being.  The  fighter at “Yahoo! Answers (Malaysia)” using the ID “ιℓσνєιѕℓαм يا رب العالمين” (Level 2 with 888 points, a member since July 04, 2017) posted the following:

 

How is the trinity explained via math?

This is Monotheism: 1 God + 0 others = 1 God.

This is the trinity:
1 Father + 1 Son + 1 Spirit = 1 God.
ie, 1+1+1=1.
Simplified 3 =1

Some people say it’s 1x1x1=1.
But that is incorrect because the father/son/holy spirit are not equal.
The son has less power and knowledge than the father, etc. Not equal.
So it would be more like 1.5x1x0.5 =1 which is mathematically not sound.

Your thoughts, Christians?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.  But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit:  for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.  For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.  Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.  Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:  for they are foolishness unto him:  neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.  (1st Corinthians 2:  9-14, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Law and Divine Process (05/28/2017); Tools For Knowing Divinity (05/12/2017); Time Is Not A Deity (11/30/2015); The Correct Prescription? (11/19/2015); No Other gods? (08/14/2015); Our Need for a Son (03/04/2013); Unless You Repent (03/05/2013)

 

“ιℓσνєιѕℓαм يا رب العالمين”, using the finite human measuring tools of arithmetic and mathematics to describe divinity is inappropriate, and borders upon idolatry (attributing celestial authority and power to a man-made object or process).  GOD must be understood as the active presence who has put forth all that exists.  Included are created beings and living creatures as well as their spheres of life and the settings for their activity, duration, and conclusion as a life form.

The full sum of divine substance (i.e., the total makeup of GOD) must be understood as spirit in its character, nature, and substance.  Thus, it is irrelevant and foolish to describe divinity in terms of the measurable dimensions observed for things carnal, material, secular, and social.  We can no more accurately describe GOD using the ideas of amount, size, and weight than we may by using physical senses such as seeing, tasting, and touching with our hands to know roughness, sharpness, and smoothness.

Even so, GOD makes Deity knowable, known, and “approachable” (we say, reveals divinity) using material forms, divine operations, sacred processes, and eternal purposes.  Increasingly, Christian believers are encouraged to apprehend that GOD is a spirit who may appear and exist within events, natural and sacred law, life essence (we also say, breath, word), prophecy, promises, themselves, and throughout the holy writings.  Inseparable aspects of spirit content from the makeup of GOD may be imparted to those who are “born again” such as faith, gratitude, holiness, longsuffering, lovingkindness, meekness, wisdom, and wrath against sin.  Such persons also must “grow up again” and become mature as vessels of divine spirit living on the earth.

That there can be oneness without sameness among the persons of the GODhead (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) is properly regarded by mature believers as a “sacred mystery” to be acknowledged, yet, not challenged or questioned; for such a truth is grounded on divine prerogative, imperatives of eternal purpose, sacred law, and sovereign will.  Consider the following that uses language from the Bible:

(1.)  Deuteronomy 29:  29, King James Version (KJV):  29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God:  but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

(2.)  1st Corinthians 12:  3, KJV:  3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed:  and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

There is far more to be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (3.)  Romans 8:  5-9, KJV:  5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:  for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.  9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

 

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

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Today, focus is on the revelation of GODhead as three persons that have always existed and operated as one active presence.  The writer at “Yahoo! 7 Answers (Australia)” using the ID “Jebus 4” (Level 2 with 258 points, a member since April 25, 2014) posted the following:

 

Christians was god always 3 in 1?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.  Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?  (Malachi 3:  6-7, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  The Complete Divine Revelation? (03/10/2017); Exalted By The Father? (01/26/2017); 3 Persons, 3 Minds? (02/03/2016); Bad GOD, Good GOD? (01/03/2016); Divinity Has Person? (05/19/2015); The Idea of Perfection? (01/20/2015); Immutable GODhead (03/10/2014)

 

“Jebus 4”, GOD is immutable and unchanging, yet, may only be known by created beings and living creatures through events that occur and unfold gradually over time.  For Christian believers there is only one “revelation” of GOD, and it includes all the present and previous disclosures that mankind attempts to describe by using the finite frameworks of time and space.  Correctly understood, the fullness of divinity (we say, the GODhead) will never be exposed, or realized in every aspect and detail by created beings and living creatures.  Even when divinity will dwell among men upon the earth, there will be features that remain secret and unknown such as the origin of GOD, the nature and substance of righteousness, the putting forth of existence from nothing, and the unseen process that manifests as divine will. 

The holy writings declare GOD is a spirit.  The revelation of GOD continues as an aspect of infusing Creation with life essence (we say, breath, spirit, word) that also imparts awareness and self-will.  For the sake of the living, divinity has appeared in the person of Jesus Christ, however, GOD does not require Incarnation (the use of flesh and human form) to be known and recognizable to GOD (himself; themselves).  What startles and unsettles many is the idea that GOD may be as man, yet, continue as immortal and incorruptible.  Christ is the most complete and correct “image” of divinity projected from the full GODhead.  Through Christ, divinity is being made accessible, knowable, known, and “visible” through events and operations on the earth.

Mature Christian believers hold GOD willingly provides the sacred knowledge and practices (sacraments) necessary for created beings and living creatures to be in personal or intimate communication, exchange and interaction with divinity.  The living may have place as sons and daughters, the children of GOD, and joint-heirs with Jesus Christ; and must be transformed to exist as eternal companions to GOD.  Consider again the following from Scripture:

(1.)  Deuteronomy 29:  29, King James Version (KJV):  29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God:  but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

(2.)  Psalms 90: 1-2, KJV:  1 LORD, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.  2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

(3.)  Isaiah 66:  1-2, KJV:  1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool:  where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?  2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD:  but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.)  Colossians 1:  12-20, KJV:  12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:  13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:  14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:  15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:  16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:  all things were created by him, and for him:  17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.  18 And he is the head of the body, the church:  who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.  19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;  20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

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