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Today, reply is made to a question on oneness and sameness of authority within the GODhead.  Correctly understood, divinity must be acknowledged as spirit substances that are diffuse, yet, inseparable, and are not limited through frameworks of time and space, discrete events, or natural law that applies to material and physical objects and their processes for duration.  That one aspect of the full GODhead has appeared using flesh to complete mortality does not alter or diminish the character, description, and nature of Deity.  The  essential elements of divine existence and process (e.g., authority, glory, government, grace, ownership, preeminence, active presence, purpose) continue as immutable and unchanging.  The fighter at “Yahoo! 7 Answers (Australia)” using the ID “Trilobiteme” (Level 3 with 1,651 points, a member since September 29, 2011) posted the following:

 

If the old testament says there is one God and Jesus Christ said the Father and I are one does that mean he on equal footing with God?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  The same was in the beginning with God.  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.  In him was life; and the life was the light of men.  And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.  (John 1:  1-5, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Exalted By The Father? (01/26/2017); The Firstborn of GOD (01/02/2017); Different Form, Same Relationship? (11/20/2016); Word, Son, and Christ? (08/24/2016); A Servant and More (08/17/2016); The Holy Spirit and Unity? (08/13/2015); Oneness, Not Equality or Rank? (07/16/2015)

 

“Trilobiteme”, don’t be confused by the many divine uses of flesh and blood.  Sacred operations by the persons of  GOD all express oneness without sameness.  Therefore, in general, Christians regard argument, debate, and questions about differences in divine authority, function, and majesty to be irrelevant, unfruitful, and useless—they do not build up spiritual control and power.  Mature Christian believers often understand the fullness of divinity (we say, the GODhead) to be made up of all spirit substance that may ever exist, is active, eternal, and incorruptible.  The inseparable aspects of spirit (we also say, breath, life essence, word) do not appear having measurable dimensions and form except as the person Jesus Christ.  The makeup of Deity is held to include existence, faith, holiness, longsuffering, lovingkindness, person, presence, sovereign will, wisdom, and wrath against sin.  Through rebirth and sanctification, believers enter into a transforming relationship that does not encourage pursuing questions regarding differences in authority and hierarchy within the GODhead.  In their beginnings, believers may envision the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit relying on images and thoughts that are carnal, material and social.  However, eventually, focus is to be on the work of proclaiming the gospel, edifying the body of believers, and performing in accordance with the principles and precepts of divine law and the imparted, indwelling Spirit.  With this in view, consider, again, the following:

(1.)  Philippians 2:  5-11, King James Version (KJV):  5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:  6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:  7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:  8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.  9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:  10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;  11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

(2.)   Colossians 1:  12-20, KJV:  12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:  13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:  14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:  15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:  16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:  all things were created by him, and for him:  17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.  18 And he is the head of the body, the church:  who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.  19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;  20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (3.)  1st Corinthians 15:  21-28, KJV:  21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.  22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.  23 But every man in his own order:  Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.  24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.  25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.  26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.  27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.  28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

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Change, prophecy, resurrection, Sabbath, sacred law, and Sunday are topics, today.  After some hours of careful work, I was able to present a portion of a response to the six classic arguments (errors) regarding the Sabbath being changed by the Resurrection of Jesus.  This clear, well-reasoned teaching appeared (without a byline naming the author) within a newspaper article written in 1850.  The various arguments compared to the word of GOD were shown as follows: “1. That the Jewish prophets predicted, such a change; 2. That there was a necessity for the change in order to commemorate the completion of the work of redemption, which was finished by the resurrection of Christ; * * * 4. That on this day of the week Christ frequently met with his disciples after the resurrection; 5. That from that time the Apostles and primitive Christians religiously observed the first day in memory of this event, and as a substitute for the Sabbath ; 6. That the day of Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit descended, was the first day of the week ; 7. That by “Lord’s day,” (Rev. i, 10,) the first day of the week was intended.”  A fighter at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “truth” (Level 3 with 1,367 points, a member since July 20, 2009) posted the following:

 

Jesus is risen! That is why Sunday became a holiday -the Lord’s Day – in the world. This is the foundation of Christianity. OK?

Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave. 2 And behold, a severe earthquake had occurred, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it. 3 And his appearance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 The guards shook for fear of him and became like dead men. 5 The angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid; for I know that you are looking for Jesus who has been crucified. 6 He is not here, for He has risen, just as He said. Come, see the place where He was lying. 7 Go quickly and tell His disciples that He has risen from the dead; and behold, He is going ahead of you into Galilee, there you will see Him; behold, I have told you.”

Matthew 28

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.  And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise:  and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.  And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws:  and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.  But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.  And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.  (Daniel 7:  23-27, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  GOD and The Framework of Time (09/20/2014); About Knowing the Name of GOD (09/21/2014); Changing Times and Laws? (05/14/2014); Should Men Take Their Hats Off? (05/15/2014); To Keep It Holy (02/23/2014); 7 “Godly” Sins? (02/24/2014); About Sabbath (10/16/2013); We Shall Behold Him (10/17/2013); Newness of Spirit? (01/04/2013); Two Different Testaments? (01/05/2013)

 

“truth”, here is one of many unpopular, sacred teachings derived by examination of the Bible that was published in Paris, ME, November 1850 in volume one, number one of a newspaper, SECOND ADVENT REVIEW, AND SABBATH HERALD.  Six of seven arguments were detailed in the article (without byline naming the author), Has the Sabbath been changed from the Seventh to the First day of the Week? (p. 1-4).  Such things are only shared and taken seriously among believers having the meekness of Jesus:

7. “Lord’s Day.”—An argument for the change of the Sabbath is founded on the supposed application of the title “Lord’s day,” to the first day of the week.  The only passage referred to for the purpose of sustaining it, is Rev, i, 10. “I was in the spirit on the Lord’s day.”  But that the day here called the Lord’s day, is the first day of the week, is merely assumed, and hence is not to be considered as proved.  It is not in fact probable that this is the day referred to.  * * * If these words be understood to refer to a natural day, it is more likely to be the seventh day, which God had blessed and sanctified for his special service, than the first day.  The seventh day is called by Him “my holy day,” and “the holy of the Lord”—phrases similar to the one in this passage.  This was also the Sabbath which was made for man, and of which Christ says he is Lord.  And since it was observed up to the close of the New Testament history, it would be perfectly natural for John to speak of it as ” the Lord’s day.”  Further, there is no evidence that the first day of the week was denominated the Lord’s day, at so early a period.  Only one writer mentions the expression till towards the close of the second century ; and the reputed author of this passage, when speaking, in his Gospel, (which was written some years later than the Apocalypse,) of the resurrection of Christ, and the first day of the week, never intimates that the day should be called by any other name.  The learned Morer, though an advocate for the first day, in mentioning the different days to which this phrase may be applied, acknowledges the entire uncertainty as to what day is intended, and says, “It is very likely that the more solemn and public use of the words was not observed until about the time of Sylvester II., when, by Constantine’s command, it became an injunction.”  It is evident, therefore, that this passage cannot justly be used as proof that the Sabbath was transferred to the first day of the week.

We have now examined the texts commonly adduced to prove a change of the original Sabbath, and have them utterly insufficient and deceptive. Hence the claims of the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, without alteration, are fully sustained.  The advocates for the first clay arc aware that if an abrogation or change of the original Sabbath law cannot be made out, the seventh clay is still the true Sabbath.  Dr. Dwight, for instance, makes the following admission:  “If we cannot find in the Scriptures plain and simple proof of the abrogation of the original day, or the substitution of a new one, the seventh day undoubtedly remains in full force and obligation, and is now to be celebrated by all the race of Adam.”  [From Sab. Vindicator]

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually understood.  (For example, the Lord’s resurrection was not intended to change divine law, or the timing for scheduled sacred events previously announced through prophecy.  Jesus came to fulfill, not to annul, countermand, or erase.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC