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Jan Harmensz. Muller, Lot and His Daughters, 1600

 

Today, reply is on incest, Lots daughters, correct sacred knowledge, and the work of the Bible to make sin recognizable. Different sexual sins are described in the holy writings, however, it is an error to label all sexual behavior as sin, just as it is an error to insist that the “original sin” committed by Adam and Eve was that the pair performed sexual intercourse. Those who lack sacred knowledge regarding sin as the transgression of divine law usually are quick to express condemnation for sexual behavior, and to judge against others for sexual activity. We see this somewhat with the condemnation of Lots virgin daughters whose concern in their escape from Sodom was how to fulfill their duty as child-bearers. In ancient Bible times, a mans children and household were accounted as his inheritance from GOD, his personal property, and his wealth. For this reason, Lot offers his two daughters in ransom to a crowd threatening to rape the two strangers he had welcomed into his home. While appearing as unselfish and willing sacrifices similar to Isaac at Mount Moriah, neither of the girls were harlots, yet, both have been labeled as sexual figures among modern Christian readers. It is written: Galatians 5: 19-23, King James Version (KJV): 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. One of the fighters in the “Yahoo! Answers” public forum on Religion and Spirituality who uses the ID “Anonymous” (no profile information shown) posted the following:

 

Is it true that the Bible has father daughter incest in it?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW: Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise; That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth. And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. (Ephesians 6: 1-4, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER: Adam, Family and Law (07/05/2017); Why Was Lot Spared? (12/20/2015); Incest? (10/29/2015); The Judgment Against Sodom? (04/10/2015); Remembering Lot’s Wife (11/04/2014); Sinless Until Advent? (11/05/2014); Lot and the Angels (05/04/2014); Expulsion from Eden (04/05/2014)

 

Anonymous”, sin is the transgression of divine law. Until the law of Moses was granted, incest does not appear as a sexual and social sin associated with the frameworks of family and marriage. While the primary work of the Bible is to make GOD knowable, known, accessible, and approachable, the Bible also must expose the otherwise unseen process and substance of sin. Sin opposes the continued existence of sacred law, the Lawgiver, and all divine order throughout the universe. Sin is not a spirit, has not been sent forth by GOD, and sin is no physical matter that may be removed by a single act of divine destruction. Even so, sin may dominate awareness and self-will within created beings and living creatures.

In the same way the living do not immediately apprehend the “exceeding sinfulness of sin,” that sin generates enduring consequences that can continue long after the death of the sinner, and that sin is contrary to both divine and human nature, many become convinced and deceived thinking their choice to sin has been natural, normal, practical, and necessary. Sin often includes elements of counterfeit authority, deceit, false innocence, presumption, and self-promotion.

The account of incest committed by the daughters of Lot does not appear as the kind of romantic story we often see now in movies and television. The characters do not repeatedly express burning lust and passion as in novels and stories for amusement and entertainment. At a time when the covenant law for Israel was not yet written in stone by the finger of GOD, divinity appeared within their lives through their association with Abraham and the covenant of circumcision. Angels were dispatched to secure the deliverance of their father, Lot, from the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah; and their blessing was in the nature of inheritance. The girls were faced with issues of immaturity, isolation, loneliness, their mother turned to a pillar of salt by her disobedience, and the certainty that their father would not be granted another mate. They correctly acknowledged that they themselves would have to take accountability for their own life, death and survival; and mistakenly believed it was their duty to ensure their father’s name would be continued by his own heir. In this error they continued the practices of Adam, and copied Abram ensuring an heir through Hagar. That the daughters used alcohol to seduce their father shows they both realized he would deny them as unreasonable and unrighteous: both babies could have been born as females. Consider again the following that uses language from the Bible:

1. Romans 7: 9-14, King James Version (KJV): 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

2. Proverbs 23: 27-35, KJV: 27 For a whore is a deep ditch; and a strange woman is a narrow pit. 28 She also lieth in wait as for a prey, and increaseth the transgressors among men. 29 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? 30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. 31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. 32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. 33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things. 34 Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. 35 They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again.

3. Ezekiel 16: 49-50, KJV: 49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. 50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

There is far more that should be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended. (For example, 4. Romans 8: 1-9, KJV: 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.) Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.

 

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Adam, angels, and sin are topics, today.  Also, there is more on deliverance, discernment, and the figures of Abraham and Lot.  A “Yahoo! Answers” writer using the ID “>” (Level 6 with 22,634 points, a member since May 20, 2012) posted the following:

 

Why was expulsion from paradise the punishment for original sin? 

Some Christians believe that Genesis happened verbatim and is not just allegory.

Many modern day Christians believe that there are six steps to repentance:

1. Feel Godly Sorrow
2. Confess to God
3. Ask for Forgiveness
4. Rectify Problems Caused by Sin(s)
5. Forsake Sin
6. Receive Forgiveness

If Adam and Eve were indeed cast out of Eden for original sin, why didn’t God give them an opportunity for repentance FIRST using the 6 steps we have been given? This seems like HUGE oversight for an all-loving and all-forgiving God! It is blaring inconsistencies like this that strengthen the atheistic argument.

Thank you for you kind and informative answers.

 

THE BATTLE AXE:  Lot and the Angels (05/04/2014)—(5.)  Many believers acknowledge the various accounts of Lot that appear in Scripture are provided for instruction that is drawn by contrast.  Two objects or persons placed in the same or similar settings may be given the same opportunity for relationship with GOD, yet, respond very differently, and receive different outcomes.  Abraham and his sons are juxtaposed against Lot and his daughters.  Just as Abraham was in covenant through circumcision, Lot also was a covenant partner with GOD; however, his wife and daughters were not.  It remains that, the focus of these accounts are the revelation of GOD as righteous through judgment.  Many embrace spiritual confusion and error by centering upon issues of incest, lust, same-sex desire, and mob violence.  Rightly understood, that Lot’s daughters would complete their mortality at the hand of a rape-gang is no more wicked than their having to fight and die in combat on a battlefield to protect their own home, and community.  Until there is balance among the inseparable aspects of GOD that reside within a person as their own endowment of divine Spirit (e.g., faith, holiness, humility, longsuffering, love, wisdom, wrath against sin), a person may show generosity, gentleness and kindness, yet, be unable to discern spirit substance in events, objects or persons, be unable to endure challenges to their own spirit, be unskilled at smoothly adjusting to sudden spiritual changes, and unexpected shifts, and not be prepared for the coming of Christ in glory.  See Genesis 17:  1-27, Genesis 19:  23-26 and Luke 17:  28-33, KJV.

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:  and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:  Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.  So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.  (Genesis 3:  22-24, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Covenants and Relationships (01/29/2014); Salvation is Conditional? (01/30/2014); Unguarded Chocolates? (11/07/2013); How Children Learn (11/09/2013); About Sabbath (10/16/2013); We Shall Behold Him (10/17/2013); The Power of Death? (10/01/2013); Divine Love Revealed? (10/02/2013); Teachings on Judgment (06/06/2013); Those Who Never Heard? (06/07/2013);  Before Abraham Was… (03/14/2013); On Titles and Respect (03/15/2013); Before the Fruit? (11/10/2012); Why “Mysterious” (11/11/2012)

 

“>”, here are a few points to consider that are important to Christian belief:

(1.)  Many mistakenly think that the male and female pair were not given clear instruction regarding the law of GOD.  Because all sin may be spoken of as the transgression of divine law, there are those who feel that Adam’s expulsion from the Eden home on the basis of having violated divine law (that they were ignorant of) was unjustified.  Even where the two did not understand the clear statement of prohibition (DO NOT), or the admonition and warnings (when you do this, the result will be), it remains the two did receive a word from GOD that should not have been forgotten or ignored.  The pair failed to realize they were in a direct relationship with divinity based upon mutual acceptance, respect and trust.

(2.)  Rightly understood, all sin opposes the continued existence of divine law, of the divine Law Giver, and of the Creation that is established and maintained through sacred law.  Sin was first found among the holy angels, who did not comprehend its nature and potential.  Thus, many of the things demonstrated through mankind upon the earth, are to make clear to those in heaven the ruin that comes by sin.  Sin has no material or spirit content, yet, has direction, effect, and presence; and may dominate awareness and self-will in created beings and living creatures.

(3.)  Just as the pattern for a tabernacle that was given to Moses was a copy of things in heaven, the divine operations for the removal of sin in heaven are copied upon the earth.  Included are atonement, correction, forbearance, forgiveness, judgment, and sanctification.  Sin can not be eliminated as if a product of intellect, logic, reason or science.  Sin is also a failure to perform in accordance with faith and the many other inseparable aspects deposited within the living from divine makeup such as holiness, longsuffering, love, righteousness, truth, wisdom, and wrath against sin.

There is a lot more to be said, correctly understood, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.)  The angels are neither mortal nor immortal; may be destroyed through the use of holy fire; and continue their existence through faith, and divine grace.  To restrain the spread of sin within the earth realm, it became necessary to establish mankind in mortality (i.e., temporary and finite existence) through the use of death.  Expulsion from the Garden, and its removal from the earth, were necessary to deny access to eternal life for mankind that would come through operations of the flesh (i.e., eating from the Tree of Life) or by further disobedience, instead of reconciliation and righteousness.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith, and your willingness to learn as a genuine believer.

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.  (2nd Chronicles 7:  14, KJV)

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