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Today, points are shared on the need of those in flesh for salvation and worship with living gifts from divinity that continue Creation, and shield believers against sin.  The three “R’s” must come into view:  GOD is being revealed through divine acts that put forth being and existence.  Created beings and living creatures endure and complete the terms of their existence within their relationships to GOD as Creator, and also must seek relationship wherein GOD is Savior.  Finite awareness and self-will may be dominated by sin; and sin opposes the continued existence of sacred law, the Law Giver, and all that has been provided for divine order of the universe.  To accomplish eternal purposes, those turning away from sin to GOD (we say, showing repentance) are equipped by GOD to discern the active presence of Deity, to maintain peculiar sacred practices and understandings as well as to recognize and resist sin.  The fighter at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “ > ” (Level 7 with 25,893 points, a member since May 07, 2012) posted the following errors:

 

God did not require prayer, worship, faith, or repentence from Adam and Eve so why do Christians insist these things are important to God?

Christians insist that Adam and Eve are actually the first man and woman and literally walked and talked with God.

If this is true then one would expect that God would not ask more of us than He would ask of Adam and Eve, but this is not the case.

God never asked Adam and Eve to 1) Pray, 2) Worship, 3) have faith, or 4) repent after they committed original sin. Even so many Christians believe that Adam and Eve have seats in Heaven.

Whether or not Adam and Eve are in Heaven or will someday go there the bible certainly does not say that God sent them to Hell.

If we can therefore deduce that God is not going to send Adam and Eve to Hell for not praying, worshiping, having faith, or repenting when they were on earth why should we believe God would send anyone to Hell for not doing those things?

Can we also conclude that prayer, worship, repentence etc., comes from man and not God since God did not require these things of Adam and Eve? God never once asked Adam or Eve to declare how great He is, to say Grace over a meal, or any other prayer for that matter.

Thank you for your kind and learned answers

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God:  therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.  Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.  And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law:  for sin is the transgression of the law.  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.  Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not:  whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.  Little children, let no man deceive you:  he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.  Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him:  and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.  In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil:  whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.  (1st John 3:  1-10, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  A Creator No Longer Needed? (02/19/2015); Needs Answered in Christ? (01/07/2015); Why Prophets Were Sent to Israel (11/23/2014); The Need for Prophecy Then and Now (11/24/2014); The Point of Knowledge? (07/06/2014); The Love of GOD (03/03/2013); Our Need for a Son (03/04/2013); Unless You Repent (03/05/2013); What is Worship? (10/18/2010); No Free Will (10/19/2010)

 

“ > ”, to understand that divinity is continuing its work of Creation, and that judgment and salvation are further aspects of Creation, there are many interconnected and important ideas you will have to consider.  For example:

(1.)  There are highly visible human needs such as our demands for companionship, food, and shelter that derive from our condition and makeup as mortal beings.  In addition to appetite (e.g., hunger, thirst, sexual cravings), sensation (e.g., hearing, seeing, tasting, touching), the living also display abilities, characteristics and features that are not material, physical or social.  We also express and seek to fulfill many needs that are intangible.  Included are needs described by our emotional and mental functions (e.g., anger, desire, dreams, fantasy, imagination, recall).

(2.)  Through operations of the sacred content received from divinity, Christian believers understand that mankind now has various spiritual needs that are only met through contact and communion with Deity.  Because necessary obedience, respect and trust were not continued in the awareness and self-will of the first pair, an unnatural gulf appeared that separated the man and woman from divinity.

(3.)  There are many points of information shared through the holy writings that explain many of the measures taken by divinity to recover all created beings and living creatures that had come under the attack of sin (this includes the angels and sacred beasts of heaven).  In addition to Sabbath-keeping, exile from Eden, and atonement through blood offered in sacrifice, sacred operations were instituted such as covenants, redemption, rebirth, salvation, and sanctification.

(4.)  While Adam lost the sacred gifts that made them fit for direct fellowship and interaction with Deity, the angel posted at the gate to Eden (thought to be the Son before incarnation, and understood as the first spokesperson and prophet to mankind) became a source for sacred knowledge and instruction.  Throughout the holy writings, “gathering in the gate” (we say, downtown, in the business district, the gate of the city) is to conduct business and public affairs in the witness of the agents from GOD.

There is far more to be said, correctly understood, and spiritually apprehended.  (Such as (5.)  The many “religious” duties and practices that now offend nonbelievers have been granted over the course of thousands of years and thousands of lives in answer to prayer and supplication to GOD.  Through faith and other endowments of spirit content from GOD, believers have responded to the divine provisions that will end separation from eternal life, holiness, mercy, and forgiveness.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith and spiritual maturity.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

A parable is used, today, to share points on the fall of Adam and Eve.  Also, there is more on knowledge of GOD among the holy angels.  A “Yahoo! Answers” writer using the ID “william” (Level 2 with 354 points, a member since September 30, 2013) posted the following originally asked at Yahoo Answers United Kingdom:

Why did god get so cross when adam and eve ate an apple?

I mean seriously it’s not like the raped or murdered anybody
if he didn’t want them to eat it he shouldn’t have put the tree of knowledge in the garden of eden

THE BATTLE AXE:  Does Satan Know? (11/06/2013)—The holy angels appear as divine instruments and spokespersons in prophecy; and may appear in forms that exhibit animal features, geometric polygons, or beings that fly using wings (see Ezekiel 10:  6-22, Genesis 28:  10-17 and Revelation 14:  6-12, KJV).  Confronting Jesus in the wilderness, Satan could not recognize the Son of GOD as someone he had seen before in the celestial presence, and so challenged Jesus to “appear” in his form as Son of the Highest.  Similarly, Satan came into the presence of Jesus, however, not in celestial form.  With this in view, believers are always wise to “try the spirits” (see Matthew 4:  1-11, Hebrews 1:  1-14, 2nd Corinthians 11:  13-15, 1st John 4:  1-6 and Revelation 22:  8-9, KJV).

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,  Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.  For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.  Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.  And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:  For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.  If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?  But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.  Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence:  shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?  For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.  Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous:  nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.  (Hebrews 12:  1-11, KJV)

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Why Jesus Used Parables (11/03/2013); Denying Baptism to Others (11/04/2013); Balaam (10/15/2013); About Sabbath (10/16/2013); Freewill is Finite (06/30/2013); GOD Intervenes? (07/01/2013); Words Spoken By GOD? (06/05/2013); Teachings on Judgment (06/06/2013); Those Who Never Heard? (06/07/2013); A Second Adam (03/25/2013); GOD Hiding in Plain Sight (03/26/2013)

“william”, here is a parable making a few points that help Christian believers understand the account of Adam (the single name given by GOD to both the male and female who existed before the Almighty as a single person):

Dad brought home a lovely box of assorted chocolate candies for mom on Valentine’s Day.  In celebration, she allowed each of her three little charges to choose from the assortment.  The next day, while she was out shopping, one of her boys decided he would have a sweet; so he went into mom’s room looking for the candies.  He reasoned that, she loved him so much she would want him to take freely of what dad had provided.  Besides, there were so many, she would still have plenty left.  He would only sniff out the mints; she probably would not miss one (or two); and, should she become angry, no one would ever trace the deed to himself were he careful to leave no trace of his having been there, and wash any residue from his hands.  After some searching, he found where the candies were “hidden” (i.e., stored to keep from melting, spoiling, etc.), carefully lifted the lid of the box, removed two stunners, and tried to carefully replace the tissues and wrapping paper as though they had not been disturbed.

Later, upon her return, mom went to her chocolates and found the box had been rifled.  She called the children to her, and asked what had gone on.  After several minutes of awkward denials and protestations of innocence, the matriarch “arbitrarily” declared that all would be on punishment (we say, lock down) until she would be told the truth concerning the “harmless” prank.  The children were sent to their room, where a pair of them insisted the culprit surrender himself.  As they heard their mother crying from her room, the innocents tried to explain why the game was up; that mom could see the stain of chocolate on his tongue, like they had done, and could smell the mint on his breath. 

The mother could have taken the chocolates with her, or eaten them all; and could have avoided leaving the candies as if bait or something to deliberately entrap her children.  Surely she knew, even from her own experience as a child, what could happen to luscious chocolates left unguarded.  Knowing her own children, she should have realized whether they all (or who would be the lone suspect that) might yield to appetite, and seek to gobble a treat from her treasure trove.  Had the offense remained only a simple filching of chocolates (i.e., taking what belongs to someone else without authority and permission—we say, stealing), the outcome might not have been a personal breakdown, maternal heartache and weeping.  No less important than a theft of unguarded chocolates, there also had been covetousness, deception, disrespect, dissembling, greed, impatience, lying, passive aggression, presumption, pretext, separation, trespassing into ones private space, and violation of trust.  A “hate crime” had been committed in the home.

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually understood.  I trust this fragment will be useful.  Even so, be it unto you according to your faith.  Jesus is coming.  Grow in grace.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

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A few points about Sabbath are featured, today.  Also there is more on Balaam and prophecy.  The “Yahoo! Answers” writer using ID “Imelda Davis” (Level 4 with 2,579 points, a member since June 14, 2013) posted the following that was first asked at Yahoo Answers United Kingdom:

 

Are Christians under obligation to keep a weekly sabbath day?

 

THE BATTLE AXE:  Balaam (10/15/2013)—(5.)  In the same way Christian believers are encouraged to see transformation through the covenants with Israel of the sacred priesthood granted to Adam upon the earth for mankind, the divine use of prophets and prophecy (i.e., proclamation of divine purpose—not predicting the future) is also transformed.  The initial model where men in flesh are used as if angel messengers portrays prophecy as a spiritual event wherein GOD says  “repeat after me,” and the one sent must deliver only the exact utterance of GOD.  Nothing is to be added, nor is anything to be left out.  Through Israel as a nation in covenant, holy writings are established as a mechanism delivering prophecy beginning with sacred law and the tables of stone written by the finger of GOD.  Oral traditions maintained among the twelve tribes of Jacob were then collected, and recorded.  Documents were created to display that GOD is active and present in the earth:  divine law, genealogy, anointed leaders, judgments against sin, miracles, and sacred promises appear.  In addition to accurately preserving the wording of messages from GOD, an indwelling spirit from GOD is revealed as the source of contrition, acceptable praise, true prophetic demonstrations, and genuine prophetic utterance.  (We say, the Breath of Life, the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of Prophecy is received.)  Along with seeking the literal utterance and specific words spoken from GOD, believers are shown there also must be discernment (the use of spiritual things to recognize other spiritual things), for only the Spirit authenticates, corroborates and verifies divinity and prophecy.  Through the Holy Spirit, operations of GOD among created beings and living creatures in the earth are correctly seen also in patterns of otherwise secular behavior, events and speeches.  See Numbers 22:  31, Numbers 24:  10-19, 2nd Kings 6:  15-17, Psalms 119:  18, Isaiah 35:  3-10, Jeremiah 23:  31-33 and 1st Corinthians 12:  27-31, King James Version.

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:   If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:  Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father:  for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.  (Isaiah 58:  13-14, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Church Mandatory? (05/06/2013); A GOD of Love? (05/07/2013); Time Before the Sun? (04/14/2013); The Obedience of Jesus? (04/15/2013); Newness of Spirit? (01/04/2013); Two Different Testaments? (01/05/2013); Signs of Messianic Belief? (12/16/2012); Vows and Covenants? (12/17/2012)

 

Imelda, here are a few points important to many 7th Day Sabbath believers who observe the day as an act of faith, not law or obligation:

(1.)  “Sabbath” is not merely a period within the human framework of time.  The Sabbath is an aspect of holy being and divine presence that is to be acknowledged as benefit and blessing.

(2.)  The Sabbath was first revealed at Creation, and so is observed as a celebration and memorial of created beings and living creatures receiving new life.

(3.)  Acknowledgement of GOD through Sabbath was put into effect before many aspects of divine law later instituted as a response to sin (that first became known among the holy angels); and so is regarded as the expression of faith, joy, love, and other inseparable features for the revealed person of GOD.

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually understood.  (For example, (4.)  Sabbath is also understood as divine rest, and a special opportunity for intimate contact with GOD.  As such, it becomes a time of acknowledgement, praise, submission and worship.  Like marriage and divorce, Sabbath is regarded as an emblem (we might say, badge) indicating divine authority.  When Adam and Eve were driven from the Garden of Eden they continued having only two divine institutions, marriage and Sabbath.)  I trust this fragment will be useful.  Even so, be it unto you according to your faith.  The time of our Savior’s coming is nearer than before.  Rejoice.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

 

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