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Baptism and Fire

The image depicts Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego purified in the fiery furnace.

 

Today, reply is on salvation for sinners being primarily through the life and works of Jesus Christ, rather than by a believer’s own experience of water or fire baptism. The name of Jesus (i.e., his completed, ongoing, and yet to be finished works that are the basis of his reputation as sent from GOD) is to be acknowledged as a full and sufficient divine provision for remission of sin on earth as it is in heaven. It is written: Acts 4: 12, King James Version (KJV): 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. The fighter in the “Yahoo! Answers” public forum on Religion and Spirituality who uses the ID “Norine” (Level 1 with 97 points, a member since October 01, 2019) posted the following:

 

How do we reconcile TWO baptisms into “one” (Ephesians 4:5) when there’s a water baptism and a Holy Spirit baptism?

Update: @ANON

JESUS SAID IN MARK 16:16 >>>”HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM”<<<

>>>”SAVES!”<<<

OTHERWISE YOU ARE

>>>”DAMNED!”<<<

YOU JUST TOLD JESUS TO “SHUT UP” WHICH IS “BLASPHEMY” (MATTHEW 12:31-32)

AND ARE

>>>”DAMNED!”<<<

“REPENT!”

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW: For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. (1st Corinthians 3: 11-15, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER: Baptism Is Not DIY (05/28/2019); Offering Yourself To Christ? (12/27/2018); Preparing For The Rapture (11/09/2018); Baptism, Rebirth, and Resurrection (09/18/2018); When Speaking Of Christlikeness (06/25/2018); The Church Of Jesus (06/18/2018); The Household Of Cornelius (05/17/2018)

 

Norine”, there are only one baptism and one resurrection from death that can be acknowledged as joining mankind to divinity in rebirth, redemption, and salvation. Just as the presence of Jesus Christ within the fiery furnace preserved the companions of Daniel (Shadrach Meshach and Abednego), those who would have forgiveness for sin and reconciliation to GOD must have the presence of Christ in the life. Consciousness and self-will (willpower) within sinners and developing Christian believers must undergo permanent changes through operations of the Holy Spirit so that they completely abandon the inborn, self-centered process of heart and mind that is an obstacle to realizing the new creation. While all are to be held accountable for the fruitage they themselves produce by word and deed, they also must come to the sacred knowledge that atonement for sin, and the fresh endowment of life essence (breath; spirit; word) available from divinity are gifts bestowed on the basis of lovingkindness, divine prerogative, eternal purpose, and the sovereign will of GOD. Consider again the following that uses language from the Bible, and a presentation on readiness for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ from the music ministry of Debra Barnes and the Barnes Family:

(1.) Hebrews 6: 1-3, King James Version (KJV): 1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this will we do, if God permit.

(2.) Romans 6: 3-13, KJV: 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

(3.) Colossians 2: 8-13, KJV: 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

There is far more that should be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended (for example, 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHQULXLmfl0). Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.

 

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Today, reply is on the cloud spoken of in the holy writings that appeared as a visible manifestation of the presence of GOD (we also say, the angel of GOD; the glory of GOD; the Shekinah). Accounts of GOD appearing and becoming known in the awareness of created beings and living creatures include the appearance of divinity to Moses as a burning bush, the star that appeared over Bethlehem, and the presence that rested within the Sanctuary (also called the Holiest of Holies; the Most Holy Place) on the judgment seat upon the Ark of the Covenant. It is written: Leviticus 16: 1-2, King James Version (KJV): 1 And the LORD spake unto Moses after the death of the two sons of Aaron, when they offered before the LORD, and died; 2 And the LORD said unto Moses, Speak unto Aaron thy brother, that he come not at all times into the holy place within the vail before the mercy seat, which is upon the ark; that he die not: for I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat. A fighter in the “Yahoo! Answers” public forum on Religion and Spirituality who uses the ID “Lunablossom” (Level 2 with 278 points, a member since September 24, 2010) posted the following:

 

Can you tell me more about the shekinah/ gods presence?

Is the shekinah god or idolatry?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW: And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them: And it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel; and it was a cloud and darkness to them, but it gave light by night to these: so that the one came not near the other all the night. (Exodus 14: 19-20, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER: GOD Is With Us (03/15/2019); Not By Bread Only (02/22/2019);Divine Holiness and Sanctity (12/25/2017); Idolatry — Exalting Human Devices? (09/21/2017); Acknowledging the Divine Presence (02/22/2017); Ark of the Covenant? (03/17/2015); Filling the House With Glory? (08/17/2014); Holy Ground (03/30/2014); A Second Adam? (03/25/2013); GOD Hiding in Plain Sight (03/26/2013)

 

Lunablossom”, many mature Christian believers agree that the Garden of Eden first served as the meeting place for divinity and mankind. When Adam and Eve were thrust out, mankind would assemble “in the gate” with blood offerings for sin, and with petitions for indications and signs that would express the divine will. The sons of Jacob (Israel), and those who joined them in leaving Egypt with Moses themselves were to be the sanctuary, dominion, and abiding place of GOD. Later, the tabernacle (fashioned according to the pattern of things in heaven that was revealed to Moses) and the house of GOD (the temple fashioned in accord with the things revealed to Solomon), became the places of assembly for the consecrated priests and Levites. These things were to serve as sanctified and set apart for the presence of GOD, yet, they were not idols that would embody divinity, receive worship, or serve as man-made objects having authority, dominion, personhood, or power as gods. Consider again the following that uses language from the Bible:

1. Genesis 3: 6-9, King James Version (KJV): 6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. 8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

2. Exodus 40: 32-38, KJV: 32 When they went into the tent of the congregation, and when they came near unto the altar, they washed; as the LORD commanded Moses. 33 And he reared up the court round about the tabernacle and the altar, and set up the hanging of the court gate. So Moses finished the work. 34 Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle. 35 And Moses was not able to enter into the tent of the congregation, because the cloud abode thereon, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle. 36 And when the cloud was taken up from over the tabernacle, the children of Israel went onward in all their journeys: 37 But if the cloud were not taken up, then they journeyed not till the day that it was taken up. 38 For the cloud of the LORDwas upon the tabernacle by day, and fire was on it by night, in the sight of all the house of Israel, throughout all their journeys.

3. 1st Kings 8: 6-11, KJV: 6 And the priests brought in the ark of the covenant of the LORD unto his place, into the oracle of the house, to the most holy place, even under the wings of the cherubims. 7 For the cherubims spread forth their two wings over the place of the ark, and the cherubims covered the ark and the staves thereof above. 8 And they drew out the staves, that the ends of the staves were seen out in the holy place before the oracle, and they were not seen without: and there they are unto this day. 9 There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone, which Moses put there at Horeb, when the LORD made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt. 10 And it came to pass, when the priests were come out of the holy place, that the cloud filled the house of the LORD, 11 So that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of the LORD.

There is far more that should be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended. (For example, 4. 2nd Chronicles 5: 13-14, KJV: 13 It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of musick, and praised the LORD, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the LORD; 14 So that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of God.) Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.

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two edged sword

 

Today, reply is on divine government, peace, and warfare. Careful study of the holy writings shows that Jesus Christ comes to abide on the earth among mankind to establish holy law, rather than holy war. Just as the authority, privilege and rights for governments, nations, and sovereign states always exceed those of every individual or affiliation within its domain, divinity is at liberty to administer existence and life on the earth and throughout the universe. Even so, Jesus must fulfill a judgment of mankind that appears in prophecy through the symbols of burning and holy fire. It is written: Isaiah 9: 5-7, King James Version (KJV): 5 For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire. 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. One of the fighters in the “Yahoo! Answers” public forum on Religion and Spirituality who uses the ID “Anonymous” (Level 3 with 1,222 points, a member since January 07, 2019) posted the following:

 

According to the Bible is Jesus coming back to bring peace or a sword?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW: So these things shall be for a statute of judgment unto you throughout your generations in all your dwellings. Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person to cause him to die. Moreover ye shall take no satisfaction for the life of a murderer, which is guilty of death: but he shall be surely put to death. (Numbers 35: 29-31, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER: Satisfying Creation and Law (01/22/2019); Divine Forgiveness and Justice (01/01/2019) Called “The Anointed One” (05/08/2018); Divine Wrath Against Sin? (10/17/2017); Righteousness Exalts A Nation (07/04/2017); Politics and The Kingdom? (05/31/2017); Temporal and Eternal Judgment (02/15/2017); Sharing The Correct Message (01/30/2017); The Divine Peace Process? (09/27/2016)

 

Anonymous”, here are some points that include verses from the Bible that are to be prayerfully considered among Christian believers:

1. Both the laurel leaf, a symbol of peace and victory, and the sword are symbols of government authority, might, power and rule. The rod of iron that may appear is divine law that does not bend nor break.

2. Lasting peace is the fruit and outcome of judgment, rather than warfare. In divine judgment, the otherwise hidden and unseen eternal purpose, spirit substance and consecrated value are acknowledged and determined for created beings and living creatures, events, expressions of self-will, life experiences, possibilities, etc. Also, sacred law and sovereign will are used as the primary standards to resolve conflict and settle disputes.

3. Righteous warfare is a tool used by government(s) to accomplish goals that include law enforcement and civil order; fulfillment of contracts, covenants and pledges that may include inheritance, marriage, and trade agreements; prosperity (i.e., comfort; commonwealth; security); the maintenance of boundaries that define the precise dimensions of their territory for exercise of control and ownership (i.e., domain and jurisdiction); and the disposition of resources that include mineral deposits, woodlands, and open space.

4. Isaiah 11: 1-5, King James Version (KJV): 1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

5. Romans 13: 1-4, KJV: 1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

6. Revelation 19: 11-16, KJV: 11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

There is far more that should be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended. (For example, 7. Revelation 21: 3-7, KJV:  3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.) Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.

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Elijah

A depiction of the Prophets Elijah and Elisha
separated by the chariot of fire.

 

Today, reply is on the ministry of John the Baptist as prophet, his anointing received as inheritance, and his greatness as a sacred vessel containing spirit matter from the makeup of divinity.  Anointing, in-filling, and endowment with the inseparable aspects of imparted, indwelling Spirit are required to serve in the office of Prophet, rather than repentance and water baptism.  In addition to witnessing to the consecration and divine anointing of Jesus Christ as High Priest and Messiah, John demonstrated the renewal of divine prophecy as a sacred device from GOD to benefit mankind.  The writer in the  “Yahoo! Answers” forum using the ID “GRANNY NORINE” (Level 1 with 213 points, a member since May 16, 2014) posted the following in the Religion and Spirituality section:

 

Why did Jesus speak Matthew 11:11 and John wasn’t water baptized?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:  And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.  (Malachi 4:  5-6, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  The Household Of Cornelius (05/17/2018); The Water, The Fire (10/10/2017); Sacred Baptism, Divine Resurrection? (09/14/2017); The Lamb of GOD (08/19/2015); Jesus Given A Divine Ministry? (08/18/2015); The Baptist and The Tishbite? (02/18/2015); Origins of Baptism? (06/22/2013); Money-changers in The Temple? (06/23/2013); Both Born Holy? (04/29/2013); Scripture at Funerals? (04/30/2013)

 

“GRANNY NORINE”, here are some points that may help you and your readers discover a more complete Christian consciousness regarding John the Baptist:

(1.)  The leadership of both Israel and Judah (the Northern and Southern kingdoms) were denied the gifts among them of prophecy from GOD for a period of more than 400 years, with Malachi being the last of the line of divine spokespersons after the form of Moses.

(2.)  John the Baptist was born for the eternal purpose of reestablishing and restoring authority, legitimacy, and power to the ministry of divine prophecy (we say, the law and the prophets), and not simply to serve as a herald to the dominion of Jesus Christ as Messiah.

(3.)  The conception and birth of John the Baptist were sacred events (we say, miracles); and John was filled with the indwelling Spirit of GOD (we say, the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Prophecy, the Spirit of Truth) while still in his mother’s womb.

(4.)  John’s mother Elizabeth, who had been barren, was of the line of Aaron, and his father served in the Temple at Jerusalem as a priest.  John left the temple (holy ground) serving as an itinerant preacher (evangelist) in the nomadic tradition of Abraham.  John the Baptist himself did not heal, perform exorcism, or provide miracles.

(5.)  John is believed to have appeared as the promised sign from GOD (the appearance of Elijah the Tishbite) that would precede the advent of the Messiah.  Elijah, raised the dead, and himself was taken up into heaven by a chariot of fire and did not see death.  Consider again the following that uses language from the Bible:

(a)  Luke 1:  67-79, King James Version (KJV):  67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,  68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,  69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;  70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:  71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;  72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;  73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,  74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,  75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.  76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;  77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,  78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,  79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.

(b)  John 1:  19-34, KJV:  19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?  20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.  21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.  22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?  23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.  24 And they which were sent were of the Pharisees.  25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?  26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water:  but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;  27 He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe’s latchet I am not worthy to unloose.  28 These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.  29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.  30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me:  for he was before me.  31 And I knew him not:  but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.  32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.  33 And I knew him not:  but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.  34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

(c)  Matthew 11:  13-19, KJV:  13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.  14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.  15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.  16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,  17 And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.  18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.  19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

There is far more that should be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (d) John 5:  30-37, KJV:  30 I can of mine own self do nothing:  as I hear, I judge:  and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.  31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.  32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.  33 Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.  34 But I receive not testimony from man:  but these things I say, that ye might be saved.  35 He was a burning and a shining light:  and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.  36 But I have greater witness than that of John:  for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.  37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

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The painting depicts how the Holy Spirit began to fall before Peter was able to complete his introduction to the sermon.

 

Today, reply is on the falling of the Holy Spirit upon the household of Cornelius, a Gentile who was a retired Roman Centurion.  The figure of Cornelius and the community gathered around him compares to those of Abraham, the Friend of GOD, and David, the warrior king who wanted to build a permanent house (temple) for GOD.  The falling of the Holy Spirit that brought them into covenant with GOD through Jesus Christ, established them as a habitation of GOD through the Spirit, and his new creation.  Cornelius and all assembled received a “circumcision of the heart.”  The fighter in the “Yahoo! Answers” forum using the ID “GRANNY NORINE” (Level 1 with 234 points, a member since May 16, 2014) posted the following in the Religion and Spirituality section:

 

Why do you ALL continue to IGNORE Peter “FORGOT” (Acts 11:15-16) what Jesus said in Acts 1:5 that “fulfilled” water baptism?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ:  (he is Lord of all:)  That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;  How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power:  who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.  And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:  Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;  Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.  And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.  To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.  While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.  And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.  For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,  Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?  And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.  (Acts 10:  36-48, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  The Gift(s) From GOD (04/08/2018); Salvation By Good Works? (03/08/2018); The Law and The Prophets (03/07/2018); What Is A Spirit? (03/06/2018); Choosing to be Reborn (01/29/2018); The Water, The Fire (10/10/2017); Receiving The Holy Spirit (12/08/2016); Cornelius, and Prayer By Sinners? (03/09/2015)

 

“GRANNY NORINE”, here are some points you might find useful as you continue to consider the falling of the Holy Spirit in the home of a retired Roman soldier:

1.  The work of an apostle is to provide eyewitness report (we say, testimony in judgment) that Jesus has been raised from the dead, and to authenticate genuine manifestations of the Holy Spirit (we also say, the Comforter; the Holy Ghost; the Spirit of Prophecy; the Spirit of Truth).

2.  Following the appearance of an angel in his home, Cornelius summoned Peter to minister, for the first time, in the home of a Gentile.  However, along with Jewish customs, law, and tradition, Peter had to overcome his own attitudes of bias, ethnic arrogance, fear, exaggerated pride, racism, and suspicion that made him hesitate before he could acknowledge Cornelius, who was well-known for almsgiving and enthusiastic support of Jewish belief.

3.  The falling of the Holy Spirit in the home of Cornelius was the same as that in the Upper Room on the day of Pentecost.

4.  In the same way, Peter preached repentance and baptism to the crowd that assembled at Pentecost having questions, and as many as 3,000 were added to the church through water baptism, all the members of Cornelius’ household who experienced the falling of the Spirit also received water baptism.

5. Receiving divine gifts by the falling of the Holy Spirit does not cancel, or take the place of water baptism and the requirement for living in repentance. 

6.  Those in the Upper Room all received baptism before the cloven tongues of fire, yet, in the home of Cornelius, all received cloven tongues of fire before they received water baptism.

There is far more that should be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, 7.  Peter and the others trained by Jesus could not impart the Holy Spirit from themselves to others through the operations of their own self-will (willpower).  The Holy Spirit shares in the authority, personhood, and sovereignty of divine fullness (we say, the GODhead; the Trinity; the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit), and himself bestows and distributes his consecrated gifts.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

 

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Death and Hades Lake

 

Today, topics include annihilation, holy fire, and the second death.  The Lake of Fire represents divine wrath against sin.  To comprehend the purpose, sacred themes, and operations of divinity regarding the Lake of Fire, ones thoughts on common fire and natural laws must be put aside.  Also, where fairness (justice), punishment, and reconciliation are the primary goals in ongoing divine judgment, the goals of final judgment should be understood as the fulfillment of the law, salvation, and the elimination of death.  Just as the workings of holy fire separate material and spiritual substances placed as a single offering together on the altar, destroys all that offends, and conveys the holy portion up to GOD, in the Lake of Fire, divine content is preserved, purified and returned to GOD while only such things as corruption, decay, wickedness, and vanity (things empty, void, lacking spirit matter from the makeup of GOD) are consumed.  One of the fighters in the “Yahoo! Answers” Religion and Spirituality forum who uses the ID “Anonymous” (no profile information shown) posted the following:

 

Explain how “death” can be thrown into the lake of fire?

If the lake of fire is meant to be literal fire, how can a condition like death be put into it? Only flammable materials like wood can be put into fire, not abstract things like death! That would be like having a bonfire and putting in joy, sadness, tiredness, envy, etc
Update: That is found in Rev 20:14 by the way

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:  For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat:  I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:  I was a stranger, and ye took me not in:  naked, and ye clothed me not:  sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.  Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?  Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.  And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:   but the righteous into life eternal.  (Matthew 25:  41-46, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  GOD’s Will Be Done (04/27/2018); The Origin And Source (04/26/2018); Incurring “The Second Death” (04/02/2018); “I Am The Resurrection” (03/25/2018); The Vengeance of GOD? (10/01/2017); Temporal and Eternal Judgment (02/15/2017); Reflections on Existence (12/19/2016); Understanding Hell (01/09/2013); The Golden Age? (01/10/2013)

“Anonymous”, consider the following points and how they apply to the second death, and the end of sin:

1.  Annihilation (final, irreversible destruction) is an aspect of the divine judgment depicted throughout the Bible by using the emblems of burning and fire. 

2.  Fire from GOD (we say, holy fire; fire of the burning bush) on a consecrated altar is used to purify offerings and sacrifices by destroying defilement, profanity, and sins they may bear at the same releasing the intended gifts to GOD (e.g., gratitude, glory, love, obedience, peace, repentance, reverence).

3.  In the same way multiple denotations and connotations  for the single word “law” occur throughout the holy writings, there are multiple applications of the word “death”. 

4.  Death is no ordinary object or thing; is finite and temporal; and is to be understood as a condition, an operation, an outcome, a process, or a purpose. 

5.  Death is not presented as a spirit substance created by divinity; death has not been endowed with personhood; and the heart, mind, personhood, and sovereign will of GOD are not subject to death as are created beings and living creatures.  

There is far more that should be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, 6.  Using language from the Bible, the operations of GOD equally may be brought against carnal, material, secular, social and spiritual things.  It is written:  Hebrews 4:  12, King James Version (KJV):  12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

 

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God Revealed Through Christ

A depiction of the fullness of divinity revealed through Jesus Christ

 

Today, focus is on defining “spirit” as an aspect of human and divine makeup.  Divine spirit is spoken of as authority, dominion, and power.  Many of the devices used to depict spirit (e.g., clouds, flame, fog, mist, smoke), in fact, are material substances made of fine particles.  All spirit is made up only of spirit; and the origin and source of all divine spirit is exclusively GOD.  Faith is made up only of faith; holiness consists only of holiness; righteousness contains only righteousness, and so on.  While emotions, mind, sensations, and thoughts also are immaterial and intangible, they are more the product and response of flesh to its outside setting and surroundings than a presentation of the exchanges and interactions among the elements in place as ones inner makeup.  Divine spirit substance can become defiled and profaned; and may be destroyed using the same holy fire that separates the acceptable portion of offerings and sacrifices transmitted to GOD from the matter that must be eliminated and removed.  The holy writings describe angels as spirit messengers and living creatures who are neither mortal nor immortal, and who exist and serve at the discretion of GOD.  Angels  have appeared to mankind using the likeness of men as well as forms that are strange and frightening (e.g., having four faces; moving by wheels; having multiple pairs of wings).  In addition to those accounted as holy and consecrated, there are others accounted as devils, “fallen” through the operations of sin, rebellious, and “unclean”.  The Lake of Fire that will be used to complete annihilation (the second death) and the judgments against sin has been prepared for the devil, his angels, and those who chose to be his followers.  A fighter in the “Yahoo! Answers” forum who uses the ID “Nightwolf” (Level 7 with 26,791 points, a member since December 08, 2015) posted the following:

 

What exactly is a spirit?

Is it like a energy being?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.  Hereby know ye the Spirit of God:  Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.  Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them:  because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.  They are of the world:  therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.  We are of God:  he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.  (1st John 4:  1-6, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Flesh As Divine Vessels? (01/14/2018); Having Personhood Without Gender? (12/13/2017); An Incarnation of Divinity? (10/12/2017); Lower Than The Angels? (09/12/2017); The Servitude of Angels (08/28/2017); Divine Presence and Spirit (01/18/2017); Destruction of the Adversary? (01/06/2017); Discernment and Common Sense (05/17/2016)

 

“Nightwolf”, here is a way we may speak together of these things:

Among Christian believers, spirit is not an ordinary object or thing having fixed and measurable features.  Being and personhood are specific appearances, material forms, and tools used to make what is unseen known; and both are used to describe qualities and traits of living creatures that have been fashioned by GOD, and given existence and life separate from the Creator.  By contrast, divinity is understood as a cause, the origin of all things, an active presence, and the eternal purpose for all existing without dimension (i.e., measurable form, or limits), and is the aggregate or sum of all sacred spirit substance.  Thus, Christians speak of Deity as an appearance of divine fullness (we also say, the GODhead; the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit), who is immortal, incorruptible, and invisible. 

Mankind was formed using material from the earth, and had physical existence before receiving awareness, life, and self-will.   Life essence (we say, breath; spirit; Word) from the makeup of GOD was imparted to a insensible figure; and man became a “living soul.”  Where we are told, mankind is made in the image of GOD, we take it to mean, the spirit content of men, rather than the facade and outer shell, is like that of GOD.  Divinity has used many embodiments and forms to become knowable, known, accessible and approachable to the living (e.g., fire, ice, judges, kings, nations, patriarchs, priests, prophets, water, winds).  Christians trust that—after using thousands of events, and thousands of lives, over the course of thousands of years to prepare mankind for the sacred events of his birth, life, death, and resurrection—GOD also appeared in flesh and human form as Jesus Christ (we say, Incarnation). 

All spirit material is not divine in its authority, character, makeup, and response to godly truth.  Thus we speak of the “anti-christ spirit.”  Sin is no thing created by GOD, and is not a spirit, yet, sin may dominate awareness and self-will in the living; and the operations of sin show direction, effect, and presence.  Thus, Christians are cautioned to use discernment (i.e., apply their own imparted spirit from the makeup of GOD as a standard to recognize and respond to spirit substance from GOD within other persons, events, messages, motives, teachings, etc.)  Sinners may receive a fresh endowment of spirit content from GOD by becoming “born again.”  Their inborn spirit must die, be buried, and be raised from the dead, so to speak; and they are to become vessels of divine seed/DNA.  Imparted from GOD are inseparable aspects of the divine nature such as faith, forbearance, holiness, longsuffering, lovingkindness, restraint, righteousness, wisdom, and wrath against sin.  Consider again the following that uses language from the Bible:

(1.)  Isaiah 11:  1-5, King James Version (KJV):  1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:  2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;  3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD:  and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:  4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth:  and he shall smite the earth:  with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.  5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

(2.)  John 3:  4-6, KJV:  4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?  5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.  6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

(3.)  John 1:  10-14, KJV:  10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.  11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.  12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:  13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.  14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

There is far more to be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.)  Romans 8:  3-9, KJV:  3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:  4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.  5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:  for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.  9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

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