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The photo features a Latter Day Saints (LDS/Mormon) baptism pool in the Temple at Salt Lake City, Utah

 

Today, points are shared on church architecture, water baptism, and becoming a full member within a sacred body.  The writer at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “marquinishia” (Level 1 with 6 points, a member since May 21, 2015) posted the following:

 

Why do churches have an indoor pool behind the pastor?

It was hot during service last Sunday. Why didn’t the pastor open up the pool for us? This is my second time going to service.

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  And all the people gathered themselves together as one man into the street that was before the water gate; and they spake unto Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses, which the LORD had commanded to Israel.  And Ezra the priest brought the law before the congregation both of men and women, and all that could hear with understanding, upon the first day of the seventh month.  And he read therein before the street that was before the water gate from the morning until midday, before the men and the women, and those that could understand; and the ears of all the people were attentive unto the book of the law.  And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose; and beside him stood Mattithiah, and Shema, and Anaiah, and Urijah, and Hilkiah, and Maaseiah, on his right hand; and on his left hand, Pedaiah, and Mishael, and Malchiah, and Hashum, and Hashbadana, Zechariah, and Meshullam.  And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people;) and when he opened it, all the people stood up:  And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands:  and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with their faces to the ground.  Also Jeshua, and Bani, and Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodijah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan, Pelaiah, and the Levites, caused the people to understand the law:  and the people stood in their place.  So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.  And Nehemiah, which is the Tirshatha, and Ezra the priest the scribe, and the Levites that taught the people, said unto all the people, This day is holy unto the LORD your God; mourn not, nor weep. For all the people wept, when they heard the words of the law.  Then he said unto them, Go your way, eat the fat, and drink the sweet, and send portions unto them for whom nothing is prepared:  for this day is holy unto our LORD:  neither be ye sorry; for the joy of the LORD is your strength.  (Nehemiah 8:  1-10, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Baptism and Sacred Practices? (06/02/2017); …Gathered In My Name (05/29/2017); Operations of Christian Faith (04/28/2017); The Extravagance of Love? (04/02/2017); Spirit Content From GOD? (09/26/2016); Going to Church Before Baptism? (05/05/2015); Understanding Spiritual Growth? (03/13/2015)

 

“marquinishia”, the pool you see is not for amusement, entertainment, leisure, or play.  Water baptism is a “sacrament” (i.e., sacred practice) to make visible otherwise unseen operations performed by the Holy Spirit that transform sinners to exist as members of the church created by Jesus Christ.  There must be the death and burial of ones inborn spirit with rebirth from divine DNA, so to speak.  A baptism font is used in those settings where the physical actions to establish a person as “born again” require only that they be sprinkled with water.  A standing pool for baptism is used where the complete immersion of the candidate for membership is required.  Here, rivers and running water may be preferred, for they convey the washing away of sins more correctly than standing pools that will stagnate and accumulate uncleanness.

The differences we see when viewing the places of assembly for Christian worship often indicate differences in their doctrines and sacred practices.  Because the pattern of things in heaven were copied by Moses, Ezra, King Solomon and others when raising up the Tabernacle and the Temple, many modern day church groups use devices and images described in the holy writings.  Assemblies that promote family life, community service, and missionary outreach may seek to create a friendly and welcoming atmosphere by using plush carpets, casual seating, and audio-visual aides such as flat screen TV.  By contrast, congregations devoted to prayer, preaching, and proclaiming prophecy often are austere and plain.  They may feature a pulpit raised above the people to display the speaker; the speaker may appear alone on a platform that has a book stand that serves as a “sacred desk;” or the speaker, being on the same level as those gathered, may go in and out among those attending in order to establish more intimate contact with the believers.

Those who are “born again” as Christian believers must also “grow up again,” endure “growing pains,” and become mature in commitment, discernment, service, and understanding.  While such believers will be accounted as a new creation, a son or daughter of GOD, and a joint-heir with Christ, the developing believers must become ripe (we say, mature) for harvesting by the Lord at his appearing (we say, the Advent, the Rapture, the Second Coming).  Believers are to increasingly display an endowment of spirit substance from the makeup of GOD.  Included are faith, holiness, longsuffering, lovingkindness, meekness, wisdom, and wrath against sin.  Consider the following that uses language from the Bible:

(1.)  Romans 6:  3-7, King James Version (KJV):  3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?  4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:  that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.  5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:  6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.  7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

(2.)  Acts 19:  2-7, KJV:  2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.  3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism.  4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.  5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.  6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.  7 And all the men were about twelve.

(3.)  Romans 8:  5-9, KJV:  5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:  for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.  9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

There is far more to be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.)  Romans 6:  8-13, KJV:  8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:  9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.  10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once:  but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.  11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.  12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.  13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin:  but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

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Today, focus is upon how those upon the earth are to demonstrate love to GOD.  The divine process whereby created beings and living creatures are to be in direct relationship with GOD who is spirit, in fact, is achieved by having active presence within GOD who is Son, Jesus Christ.  As believers become joined and immersed within the Savior through operations of the Holy Spirit upon their consciousness and self-will, the fullness of their love appears and is manifest alive and present with the Father.  Just as  Christ did, the believer is to be a blessing to others while upon the earth, and serve as a free gift from GOD.  The fighter at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “maxwell” (Level 1 with 87 points, a member since February 20, 2016) posted the following:

 

How do i gain god’s love? I want to be more righteous. I want to have a relationship with God, but how?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature:  old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.  And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;  To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.  Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us:  we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.  For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.  (2nd Corinthians 5:  17-21, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Learning From A Spirit? (08/25/2016); In Relationship With Divinity? (08/16/2016); Yet In My Flesh… (06/07/2016); (It Takes The Cross 04/22/2016); Love That Is Spirit? (01/28/2016); Diversity and the Church? (07/22/2015); When Asked to Serve? (01/21/2015)

 

“maxwell”,  the love of GOD is a free gift, however, everyone is required to tarry (patiently, quietly wait) for it.  Most mature Christian believers agree that there is no way for created beings and living creatures to draw, entice, hurry, or manipulate the feelings and thoughts (we say, heart and mind) of GOD.  Even so, revelation by divinity has shown that the expression of divine love from Deity is an ongoing sacred process involving communication, exchange, and interaction with the living, and is inseparable from the eternal purposes of continuing existence and life.  Sinners already have the love of GOD; therefore, their “issues” may be thought of as how to acknowledge, discern (i.e., use their own spirit content to recognize and respond to spirit from the makeup of GOD within actions, doctrine, events, oneself, other persons, sacred writings, etc.), and more completely and correctly show their own heartfelt gratitude and respect to GOD.  Believers are given methods and practices (we say, sacraments) to continue their focus, growth and lifestyle as Christians.  Included among them are church attendance, contemplation, praise, prayer, prophecy, receiving the Lord’s Supper, unselfish service, study of the holy writings, and suffering.  In the same way, we show our love to a close friend by also being an ally, a protector, a supporter, and a loyal friend to their parents, spouse and children, Christian believers are to love whom GOD loves, in the way GOD loves.  Thus, we show our love to the Father by our welcome to the Son whom he has sent, and we show our love to the Son by acceptance of the Comforter whom he has sent.  Godly and spiritual love are not demonstrated in displays of affection, hugs, or kisses so much as by comfort, forbearance, forgiveness, humility, meekness, sacrifice, sharing, and acts of reconciliation.  Consider how some of this is stated using language from the Bible:

(1.)  John 6:  24-29, King James Version (KJV):  24 When the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they also took shipping, and came to Capernaum, seeking for Jesus.  25 And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said unto him, Rabbi, when camest thou hither?  26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.  27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you:  for him hath God the Father sealed.  28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?  29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

(2.)  1st John 3:  16-21, KJV:  16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us:  and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.  17 But whoso hath this world’s good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?  18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.  19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.  20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.  21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

(3.)  Hebrews 11:  5-6, KJV:  5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him:  for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.  6 But without faith it is impossible to please him:  for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

There is far more to be said, carefully examined, and spiritually understood.  (For example, (4.)  Romans 8:  5-9, KJV:  5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:  for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.  9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

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A believer poses a personal question about their own baptism experience, today.  Surely, the only answer to the question “Have you been baptized?” must be a firm “yes” or “no” that will also state ones acceptance of Jesus Christ as their own redeemer and savior.  “I don’t know,” “maybe”, and “perhaps” are totally unacceptable.  The single word used to reply will reveal the measure they contain of such elements as faith, holiness, love, maturity, respect, sacred knowledge, trust, and other spirit content from divinity.  The writer at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “Mark” (Level 1 with 46 points, a member since January 16, 2015) posted the following:

 

Is it a sin to get Baptized twice?

I got Baptized about 10 years ago at around the age of 13. My Baptism took place in a Church swimming pool and there was a few of us getting Baptized that night.
Shortly afterwards my Mum told me she thought she saw my nose was above the water during the Baptism.
what does it mean if during my Baptism that my nose was above the water and not beneath it ?
Also if I got re-Baptized is that a sin to god or blaspheming the Holy Spirit?

please answer both my question’s. God Bless

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:  By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.  And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also:  knowing that tribulation worketh patience;  And patience, experience; and experience, hope:  And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.  For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.  (Romans 5:  1-6, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  To Walk As He Walked? (11/16/2014);  To Continue In His Footsteps (11/17/2014); A Fallen Nature? (09/01/2014); In the Likeness of His Resurrection (09/02/2014); Inseparables? (07/15/2014); On Christians Being Inclusive? (07/16/2014); A Formula for Baptism? (06/30/2014)

 

“Mark”, I bypassed your question before.  However, I now think you truly are concerned and need a sound answer, so I hope you will consider the following points:

(1.)  Water baptism as a ceremony or ritual within a community of faith is an outward display that signals the unseen operations of divinity.  Rightly understood, baptism is a sacred process carried out by the same Spirit that established the firmament of heaven and earth, and was breathed into Adam.  In this sense, baptism does not depend upon human awareness or self-will, the amount of water applied (whether immersed, splashed, or sprinkled), and whether the water was running (as in a river) or standing (as in a pool).  Some argue the differences are important, however, the thought at the core of their thinking is, only running water carries away sin(?)—where a higher idea is needed:  only faith, conviction, and new divine substance establish death and its removal of sin, rebirth, and new life.

(2.)  As one born again, the ideas and understandings of our natural mothers, other family, co-workers and friends must have less influence, because they may still be based upon carnal, material and social truth, rather than upon our own measure of faith.  A new relationship with GOD through Christ must come into effect.  The authority once placed in parents and pastors should now indwell you.  All believers must learn to practice discernment (ability to use their own spirit content to recognize and respond to the divine spirit contained in events, objects and other persons).  Increasingly, ones experiences must be gauged against the standards provided through sacred knowledge, fellowship with other mature believers, and unselfish service.  

(3.)  Believers should not accept baptism without first preparing themselves through prayer and study of the holy writings that will clarify its meaning, purpose, and value.  Many believers understand baptism as an act to cleanse that may be repeated periodically, like foot-washing.  Others believe new baptism is appropriate when one arrives at a new level of spiritual comprehension, and makes a new life commitment.  Still others feel that baptism is like bathing, you get a bath whenever you feel the need.  Such baptisms are a matter of conscience; however, we are warned our conscience can become seared (closed, sealed) allowing nothing to be leaked or lost, yet, allowing nothing to enter.

There is far more to be said, correctly understood, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.)  Before Jesus was arrested, he washed the feet of eleven apostles after one had gone out.  Peter was outraged that the Lord would debase himself and behave like a servant, and make himself unclean.  Jesus told him, where I do not wash your feet, you have no part with me.  Peter then insisted, Be sure to get my hands and head!  Jesus said, no more is needed than that I wash your feet.  Focus your understanding upon the operations of Christ as our savior.  Willingly receive instruction, however, do not entertain any accusation that comes against your faith.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to the measure of your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

Ceremonies and rituals for water baptism are a focus, today.  Also, there is more on language and spelling of terms appearing in the Scriptures.  A “Yahoo! Answers” writer using the ID “Big Mo” (Level 7 with 30,712 points, a member since November 15, 2008) posted the following:

 

I was sprinkled in a Methodist church, immersed in a Baptist church, and baptised in Jesus name in a?

Jesus Only Pentecostal church but I still have other churches wanting to baptise me. Does this make sense?

 

THE BATTLE AXE:  Lower-case or Capital? (01/31/2014)—(5.)  Together, the breath from GOD and the material body are called, a living soul.  In addition to life essence and endowments of divinity from GOD deposited within mankind, angels, apparitions (we say, ghosts), idols, sacred beasts of heaven, and other created beings and living creatures are spoken of in the holy writings as “spirits”.  A phrase, “the spirit”, may be applied to demons and angels ousted from heaven, called evil, lying, and unclean spirits when they infest or reside within humans.  (6.)  Divine law embodies and manifests the will of GOD as the Law Giver who reigns above all the universe.  When speaking of the holy writings, the Ten Commandments, and  the divine law, “the letter” of the law is its application as limited, material, social and specific.  Focus upon “the spirit” of the law centers upon its benefits, its incarnation as divine substance, its intent, and its sacred purpose.  (7.)  Holy names and titles to specific functions, offices and roles used for speaking of GOD usually appear with the first letter capitalized (e.g., Almighty GOD, El Shaddai, the Eternal, the God of heaven, the God of Jacob, the most High).  Where “father” or “lord” appears with all capital letters, or a single full capital and small capitals the reference is most likely to GOD (e.g., LORD, and “the Father”).  Holy names and titles for Jesus may show the initial capital with lower-case letters, or may appear in all capital letters (such as Alpha and Omega, Lord, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS, Messiah, Redeemer, Son of Man, Son of the Highest, the desire of all nations, the Lamb, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS).  To correctly recognize many of the holy names and titles, readers of the Scripture must continually use discernment, for names may appear with titles, titles may appear used as names, and some titles are shared (e.g., the arm of the LORD, the zeal of the LORD of hosts, the Highest, Saviour).  See Haggai 2:  7, Zechariah 13:  2, Matthew 10:  1, Matthew 14:  26, Luke 1:  46-48, Luke 11:  24-26 and John 4:  42, KJV.

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  John to the seven churches which are in Asia:  Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;  And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,  And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.  (Revelation 1:  4-6, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Before Getting Baptized? (11/28/2013); The Rich in Divine Relationship? (11/29/2013); Come As You Are? (06/29/2013); Freewill is Finite (06/30/2013); Origin of Baptism? (06/22/2013); Money-changers in The Temple? (06/23/2013); Those Who Never Heard? (06/07/2013); Need for A New Holy Spirit? (06/03/2013); Faith for Facing Tragedy? (06/04/2013)

 

“Big Mo”, here are a few points that make sense to many Christian believers, and that make it possible to avoid the spiritual confusion of mockers and entrapment by the devil:

(1.)  The different forms and formulas used for water baptism are derived from specific statements in the holy writings that are held to be equally legitimate and valid.  While they vary in emphasis or inclusion of the full divine person and GODhead (we say, Father, Son, Holy Ghost), it remains that water baptism is a sacred event where flesh and spirit must become unified.

(2.)  Baptism is not correctly understood by all to be an entrance for believers, who are yet in flesh upon the earth, into the spheres of eternal life.  Physical aspects of endurance (we say, time and space) are replaced and transcended by a sacred framework.  The believer is established in a realm of consciousness determined by the birth, life, priesthood, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ into the celestial presence (we say, heaven).  Those born again (having divine DNA, so to speak), must mature again.  At first, their personal truth and sacred truth agree only at points where, through growth, learning, unselfish service and worship, they later become one and the same.

There is far more to be said, properly shared, and spiritually understood.  (For example, (3.)  Only GOD may accomplish new life and rebirth in mankind.  This is done by the operations of the same Holy Spirit that appeared in Creation.  Flesh must cooperate and participate in baptism through self-will (we say, choice, willingness), and by witness (acknowledgement and recognition of the active presence of GOD).  The Scriptures do not contain specific laws or details for ceremonies and rituals of water baptism for followers of Christ.  As a result, each assembly or congregation has developed answers from the tenets of their faith, and the righteousness that would be in any such law.  Baptism is therefore a sacrament like the Lord’s Supper (called Communion) carried out to bond, and nourish the entire body of believers, not just the single individual.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC