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Today, reply is on reasoning together with GOD. Divinity has provided messages, pronouncements and words to the living that are to establish law, order and peace; to encourage Christ-likeness; to settle disputes and resolve conflicts; to nourish continued discovery, gradual growth, learning, and progression; to demonstrate forbearance, forgiveness, and reconciliation; and to make known eternal and unseen events. The character and process for communication, exchange and interaction by divinity with mankind is decisive, defining, forward-looking, instructive, judicial, and promissory. Divinity acknowledges confession, fasting, intercession, petitions, and supplication from mankind; even so, GOD may not be influenced, manipulated, and persuaded by the actions and speech of the living. A fighter in the “Yahoo! Answers” public forum on Religion and Spirituality who uses the ID “missgreen” (Level 2 with 271 points a member since August 09, 2008) posted the following:

 

Isaiah 1:18 does God compromise with us? Or can we compromise with God?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW: Do not err, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. (James 1: 16-25, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER: Not By Bread Only (02/22/2019); Sinners Must Become Convicted (11/27/2018); How Are We Justified? (03/05/2018); The Option of Atheism (02/11/2018); Through Love Not Persuasion (01/18/2018); Human Nature, Divine Spirit? (05/18/2017); Non-existent Debt? (03/06/2013); My Sheep Hear My Voice (03/08/2013)

 

missgreen”, created beings and living creatures can not manipulate divinity using mind, intelligence, logic, utterance, and words. GOD has communicated with mankind using sacred dreams, trances and visions along with divine law, covenant relationships, prayer, proclamation, promise, and prophecy. Because the divine intent is immutable and unchanging, revelation from GOD is understood as fixed, permanent, and unalterable. Even so, the single revelation provided to all appears by the use of diversity, fresh endowments, re-statement, and the expression of added possibilities. As sinners who become developing Christians, most of us continue to approach our Creator, Judge, and Savior using the same devices and tools we rely on in our carnal, material, and social living. The operations and process of our awareness and self-will must be transformed to maintain an uninterrupted accord with the will of GOD. In addition to bargaining, negotiating, self-justification (I’m right when I’m wrong, because…) exaggerated pride, and self-promotion (I am holier than the Pope), immature, inexperienced and untried believers will express errors based on secular knowledge, rather than sacred knowledge; hopes that are void of eternal purpose and sacred substance; or overwhelming morbid concerns that include anxiety, damnation, death, depression, fear, perdition, punishment, sin, and the wrath of GOD, rather than his love. Consider again the following that uses language from the Bible:

1. Genesis 28: 20-22, King James Version (KJV): 20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, 21 So that I come again to my father’s house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God: 22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God’s house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

2. Leviticus 26: 40-44, KJV: 40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me; 41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity: 42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land. 43 The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes. 44 And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the LORD their God.

3. Ezekiel 18: 29-32, KJV: 29 Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal? 30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin. 31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel? 32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

4. Matthew 11: 28-30, KJV: 28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

There is far more that should be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended. (For example, 5. Numbers 23: 19, KJV: 19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?) Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.

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As depicted through the parable of the Prodigal son, where we choose to leave, our heavenly Father will daily look for signs of our return.  See Luke 15:  20, King James Version (KJV):  And he arose, and came to his father.  But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.

 

Today, reply is on spiritual growth, leaving the fold (apostasy), and returning to the body of Christ.  In the same way, none should not be able to break, or make the bond between a mother and her child simply by using cheap talk and conversation, becoming a new creation through Jesus Christ should not be regarded as something that may be accomplished, undone, or denied to sinners merely by using verbal argument, lies, and persuasion.  Even so, many young people abandon their relationship with GOD through Christ and his church before they have received anointing by the Holy Spirit, or have become sufficiently mature enough, and skilled enough, to respond to life challenges as an adult having more than the tools of their childhood.  One of the fighters in the “Yahoo! Answers” forum who uses the ID “Anonymous” (no profile information shown) posted the following:

 

I m leaving christanity because they couldnt convince that God is one !?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:  Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts:  and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.  For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.  For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.  For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:  So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth:  it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.  For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace:  the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.  Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree:  and it shall be to the LORD for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.  (Isaiah 55:  6-13, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  The Shared Divine Glory? (01/15/2018); Proper Training For Belief? (01/10/2018); The Complete Divine Revelation? (03/10/2017); As Newborn Babes…. (10/13/2016); The Sheep Who Lost Their Way? (11/18/2014); Restoring The Lost? (11/19/2014); Belief, Faith, and Proof (03/02/2014); Miracles and Visitations? (03/03/2014)

 

“Anonymous”, sinners are to come to Christ through operations of divine love, not argument, debate, and persuasion.  However, exalting the flesh, romance, and sexual adventure, many reject and resist godly love.  Before the imparted Spirit from GOD begins to operate within and through our own lives, it is as though we do not have eyes, yet, we sincerely want to see.  Such finite human tools as academic knowledge, emotion, intellect, logic, philosophy, carnal reason, secular knowledge, and science can not replace acknowledgment of the divine law, memorials, and sacraments provided by GOD (e.g., praise through hymns and songs; private prayer; Sabbath-keeping); fellowship with and shared respect from those having sacred knowledge; regular study of the holy writings; and use of discernment (ability to apply ones own spirit content from the makeup of Deity as a standard to recognize and respond to the same spirit as it resides within other persons, events, messages, prophecy, purposes, etc.).

Coming to Christ is described as an organic, personal process of joining, and is not a matter of going through multi-staged mechanical procedure.  A sinner must engage divinity through continuing discovery; by enduring life challenges and “growing pains” that may include hardship and suffering; by gradual growth to become mature/ripe for harvest when the Lord returns; and by undergoing permanent changes that appear as simple, yet, are profound (far-reaching in their application, connections, and consequences).

Yes, there are many who complain saying, GOD is threatening them; others are seeking to brainwash and manipulate their minds; and GOD uses coercion and fear to force acceptance of his authority.  However, in the same way accountability and commitment identify mature love relationships, and the lack of those elements expose immature romance, infatuation, and “puppy love,” the arguments and claims by those who think and speak disbelief can be recognized as simple (misdirected; misinformed; underdeveloped).  Unlike those who are hostile, filled with malice, self-destructive, and ungodly, the simple make such attacks in the effort to gain emotional and psychological strength.  Only in time do they realize, the strength of their spirit has not been increased and nourished.   Consider again the following that uses language from the Bible:

(1.)  Proverbs 20:  11, King James Version (KJV):  11 Even a child is known by his doings, whether his work be pure, and whether it be right.

(2.)  Jeremiah 4:  22, KJV:  22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding:  they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

(3.)  Romans 8:  35-39, KJV:  35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?  36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.  38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,  39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

There is far more to be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.)  James 4:  7-10, KJV:  7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.  8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.  9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep:  let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.  10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

 

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Today, focus is on language describing the sinner’s standing as a new creation of GOD through the Holy Spirit.  A writer at “Yahoo! Answers (Philippines)” using the ID “Adam” (Level 1 with 121 points, a member since April 26, 2017) posted the following:

 

What does it mean to be convicted/convinced by the Holy Spirit?

Thoughts? Scripture?

Thanks in advance!

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:  For which things’ sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:  In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.  But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.  Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;  And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:  Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.  Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;  Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any:  even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.  And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.  And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.  (Colossians 3:  5-15, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Genuine Spiritual Discernment? (03/27/2017); The Complete Divine Revelation? (03/10/2017); Divine Meanings and Values? (03/31/2016); Convicted By His Humility (09/10/2015); American Culture and Law? (07/13/2015); Meanings That Support Eternal Existence? (06/02/2015); How To Have Conviction (11/24/2012); A Text for Lives Today? (11/25/2012)

 

“Adam”, here are some points I can share as a Christian believer.  A sinner must eventually become aware of and realize the active presence of divine substance within their own life such as faith, forbearance, forgiveness, holiness, hope, joy, lovingkindness, meekness, wisdom, and wrath against sin.   Sacred knowledge and discernment (ability to apply ones own spirit content from the makeup of GOD as a standard to recognize and respond to deposits of the same spirit matter within events, oneself, other persons, utterances, etc.) can be gained through contemplation and prayer, fellowship with other believers, regular study of the holy writings, and observance of spiritual practices (we say, “sacraments” such as baptism, confession, the Lord’s Supper).

The language that one is “convinced” actually speaks to becoming “persuaded”, and therefore suggests that the process of the Holy Spirit relies on the finite human tools of academic argument, debate, intelligence, logic, carnal reason, and critical thinking.  More correctly understood, there are  operations of GOD performed through the covenant relationship established by Christ, and the “battle” is not for the mind, rather it is for the self-will to conform to the divine will. 

The language that one is “convicted” speaks to acknowledging ones own immersion within a divine process of judgment against sin that already has been concluded.  Mature believers understand all mankind is guilty before GOD, is now sentenced to death, and is both required to complete mortality and endure an ongoing examination for final destruction in a second death.  Only by atonement and the many provisions of GOD in Christ does the guilty sinner become transformed to exist having “eternal life” as a companion to immortal, incorruptible, invisible divinity.  Consider again the following using language from the Bible:

(1.)  Ezekiel 18:  19-21, King James Version (KJV):  19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.  20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son:  the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.  21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

(2.)  2nd Corinthians 1:  9-10, KJV:  9 But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:  10 Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver:  in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;

(3.)  Romans 5:  6-9, KJV:  6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.  7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die:  yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.  8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.  9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

(4.)  Romans 5:  17-21, KJV:  17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)  18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.  19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.  20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:  21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

(5.)  Romans 8:  5-9, KJV:  5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:  for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.  9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (6.)  Revelation 21:  7-8, KJV:  7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.  8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:  which is the second death.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

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Points on believers being certain of salvation in spite of their former nature are shared today.  A “Yahoo! Answers” fighter with the user ID “God” (Level 1 with 34 points, a member since August 15, 2014) posted the following:

 

If a Christian falls in sin because of his fallen nature then how can he be secure about his salvation? 

I’m a Christian how can I be sure of my salvation if I still fall into sin because of my fallen nature???!!!

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  O come, let us sing unto the LORD:  let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation.  Let us come before his presence with thanksgiving, and make a joyful noise unto him with psalms.  For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods.  In his hand are the deep places of the earth:  the strength of the hills is his also.  The sea is his, and he made it:  and his hands formed the dry land.  O come, let us worship and bow down:  let us kneel before the LORD our maker.  For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand.  To day if ye will hear his voice,  (Psalms 95:  1-7, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Inseparables? (07/15/2014); On Christians Being Inclusive? (07/16/2014); GOD Lives Inside Us? (07/11/2014); Can the Word of GOD Be Altered? (07/12/2014); Spirit Gives Birth to Spirit (01/22/2014); Worship Wear? (01/23/2014); The Limit to Believing? (09/16/2013); All Things Possible? (09/17/2013); Death Has Been Transformed (05/09/2013); Loving the Enemy? (05/10/2013);  Foolish For Not Believing? (03/22/2013); Science and the Laws of Nature? (03/23/2013)

 

“God”, here are a few points that have helped many Christian believers resist sin, and overcome spiritual confusion:

(1.)   Believers discipline themselves and use self-control with regard to their attitudes, behaviors, diet, and other choices—even their Internet user ID, their companions as well as their ongoing relationships.  What we say, and how we describe things inside us and around us goes a long way in determining the quality of our lives, and the commitment we have to Almighty GOD.  Believers are to be self-ware and exercise authority over themselves while continuing under the sovereign authority of GOD.  Saying this another way:  Believers must demand it from themselves that respect is shown to divine law, sacred government, and the full person of Almighty GOD that has been revealed to created beings and living creatures as the GODhead.

(2.)  Continuous acknowledgment of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ does not allow believers to claim a “fallen nature.”  Instead, we affirm ourselves new creatures in Christ.  Through baptism (death of ones inborn spirit, rebirth from divine DNA, so to speak), all believers receive a fresh endowment of divinity established with the living at Creation.  We say, those spiritually born again, must spiritually grow up again (i.e., mature, be perfected through operations of GOD, become ripe for harvest) by continuing to meet life challenges (growing pains) in the earth.

There is far more to be said, correctly understood, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (3.)  No one can convince or persuade another person that they now have received salvation.  The process of becoming certain and sure in your awareness that you have received divine salvation goes forward through operations of the imparted spirit from GOD (we say, the Holy Spirit, the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Prophecy, the Spirit of Truth).  Without the Spirit from Christ, you are not his.  Security comes by consistency, regularity, and stability for such elements as ones fellowship with other believers, ones prayer life, ones practice of sacraments, and ones study of the holy writings.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC