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He Bore Our Grief

 

Today, reply is on how Jesus dying on the cross has been an atonement and propitiation for the sin of mankind.  While we say Christ “paid” for sin or “purchased” mankind, it should be understood, we are not speaking about buying and selling, responding to credit and debt, or other earthly financial transactions.  Rather, we speak to how Christ has responded on mankind’s behalf to the demands and sanctions contained within the fullness of divine law regarding the obligations and penalties for sin.  Sin is no ordinary physical object, and is not itself an expression of divine spirit; nevertheless, responses to sin require interactions of human makeup and spirit substance.  Carefully chosen language is used that speaks of the “blood of the lamb” and a sacrifice by the Son of GOD, yet, what must come into view is the imparting, reconfiguring, and regenerating of the spirit matter to establish existence and life that has been included within the makeup of mankind from the makeup of divine fullness (we say, the Creator; the Godhead; the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).  To satisfy the law, mankind must receive a fresh endowment of inseparable spirit such as faith, holiness, longsuffering, lovingkindness, personhood, righteousness, wisdom, and wrath against sin.  The fighter in the “Yahoo! Answers” forum who uses the ID “2017” (Level 7 with 60,632 points, a member since December 25, 2008) posted the following:

How is Jesus’s death on the cross pay for the sins , even for people that will only be born in a thousand years from now?

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THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows:  yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.  But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities:  the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.  All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.  He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth:  he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.  He was taken from prison and from judgment:  and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living:  for the transgression of my people was he stricken.  And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.  Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief:  when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.  He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied:  by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.  Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death:  and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.  (Isaiah 53:  4-12, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Incurring “The Second Death” (04/02/2018); Yes, Jesus Did Die (04/01/2018); “I Am The Resurrection” (03/25/2018); Not A Financial Transaction (01/28/2018); Jesus Came To Fulfill? (01/16/2018); Sin No “One-time” Event (01/03/2018); All Have Come Short (10/11/2017)

“2017”, with Christian believers, the process of GOD for salvation is one both to atone for and cover sin within the lives of mankind as well as to restore and perfect mankind to exist having eternal life.  The elimination and removal of sin from the earth can not be completed relying only on the workings of finite human desire, secular knowledge, and will power.  Sin does not exist as a carnal, material, or common object we may touch with our hands, or see with our eyes.  Even so, sin may dominate awareness and self-will within created beings and living creatures.  Sin opposes the continued existence of divine law, the Lawgiver, and all divine order throughout the universe.

The operations of sin among the living disrupted mankind’s intimate and personal communication, exchange, and interaction (we say, relationships) with divinity that were provided through Creation.  By disobedience and transgression of divine law (i.e., the expressed will of GOD), the first pair (the male and female; Adam) lost their consecration as companions to immortal, incorruptible divinity.  In addition to becoming stripped of exalted benefits and privileges, mankind was made to be mortal (subject to death); and lost the one-of-a-kind access, authority, dominion, and power that had been granted as their divine inheritance.

Man became a living soul by the imparting of life essence (we say, breath; spirit; word) from the makeup of divine fullness (we say, the GODhead; the Trinity; the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit); and it is the special condition of man being more than flesh and bone by containing divine substance that requires multiple sacred operations to address sin.  While sin is no “thing” created by GOD, displays no spirit content, and has no measurable dimensions (e.g., height, length, weight), sin has direction, effect, and presence.  GOD exposes and makes sin known through sacred devices that include baptism (the death, burial, and resurrection of ones inborn spirit); divine law; Incarnation (divinity appearing in human form as Jesus Christ); and providing fresh endowments of inseparable spirit content such as faith, holiness, longsuffering, lovingkindness, righteousness, wisdom, and wrath against sin.  Only through Jesus Christ has it become possible to have remission of sin by the application of holy blood.  Consider again the following that uses language from the Bible:

(1.)  1st John 1:  5-10, King James Version (KJV):  5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.  6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:  7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.  8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.  9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.  10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

(2.)  Romans 3:  23-26, KJV:  23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;  24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:  25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;  26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness:  that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

(3.)  Romans 5:  8-11, KJV:  8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.  9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.  10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.  11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

(4.)  Romans 5:  17-21, KJV:  17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)  18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.  19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.  20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:  21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

There is far more that should be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (5.)  1st Corinthians 15:  12-22, KJV:  12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?  13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:  14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.  15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ:  whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.  16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:  17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.  18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.  19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.  20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.  21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.  22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

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(The painting depicts a soldier checking whether the prisoners are dead before removing their body from the cross.)

 

 

Acknowledging the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, today, reply about the death of Jesus must be sacred truth proclaimed and shared even to disbelievers, sinners, and skeptics who do not understand the need for divine atonement and propitiation for the sin of mankind on the earth.  Without the death and resurrection of Jesus all doctrine and teaching among Christians would be vain (i.e., empty; lacking sacred substance; having no power to cleanse, heal, provide hope, sanctify and save).  By appearing from heaven incarnate on the earth, Jesus willingly became vulnerable to death, pain, and human suffering.  Divinity has been joined to mankind using flesh so that mankind may be joined to divinity using spirit.  One of the many fighters in the “Yahoo! Answers” forum who uses the ID “Anonymous” (no profile information shared) posted the following:

 

Did Jesus die for us or did he cheat death for us?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.  Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.  But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:  But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.  And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true:  and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.  (John 19:  31-35, King James Version, KJV) 

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  “I Am The Resurrection” (03/25/2018); His Suffering At Gethsemane (03/12/2018); The Coming(s) of Christ (03/11/2018); GOD Appearing As Christ (12/03/2017); Jesus Demonstrated Perfected Humanity (10/29/2017); Divinity Appears Using Form (07/26/2017); Divine Inheritance and Resurrection? (07/06/2016); The Cross and Resurrection Sunday? (03/16/2016)

 

“Anonymous”, divinity (we say, the GODhead; the Trinity; the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit) may only become knowable, known, accessible, and approachable to living creatures and created beings by acts of grace, personhood, holy presence, divine sacrifice, truth, and revelation.  The answers mature Christian believers must make to you will all be expressions of faith, sacred knowledge, and spirit substance imparted to believers from the divine fullness we call “GOD”.  For this reason, what they speak and write will go beyond academic studies, ancient histories, a morbid focus on death and dying, conspiracies among churchmen, underhanded political schemes, and secular knowledge.

Even developing believers will focus on the fulfillment of divine promises, prophecy, and eternal purpose.  That GOD has made himself manifest as Jesus Christ appearing in human form, and using flesh and blood, does not contradict or violate the integrity of the holy writings that record the operations of divinity through thousands of events within thousands of lives over the course of thousands of years.  In Christian understanding, the divine actualities and possibilities for mankind that have been imparted and provided by Deity are demonstrated in the birth, ministry, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus.  Jesus lived on the earth to display authentic humanity that has required a condition of mortality since the time of Adam (the first pair).  Consider again the following that uses language from the Bible:

(1.)  Isaiah 53:  4-9, King James Version (KJV):  4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows:  yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.  5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities:  the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.  6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.  7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth:  he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.  8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living:  for the transgression of my people was he stricken.  9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

(2.)  Romans 5:  1-9, KJV:  1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:  2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.  3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also:  knowing that tribulation worketh patience;  4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:  5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.  6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.  7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die:  yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.  8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.  9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

There is far more that should be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (3.)  1st Corinthians 15:  12-22, KJV:  12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?  13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:  14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.  15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ:  whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.  16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:  17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.  18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.  19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.  20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.  21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.  22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

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Today, reply is on atonement, Christ dying on the cross, and other divine works as the platform for meaning and value of human spiritual works such as belief, praise, and sacrifice.  A place in the divine presence (we say, Heaven) can not be bought and sold, or earned by performing human deeds as though having access to GOD may be treated as material property within a human economy.  Through the ministry of reconciliation and salvation provided by Jesus Christ, “logical sense” is replaced by exchange and interaction among spirit content from the makeup of GOD, and finite human works are replaced by sacred process, operations of the Holy Spirit, and works requiring accord among the three persons of the full GODhead.  A simple word for this is “grace”.  The fighter in the “Yahoo! Answers” forum who uses the ID “medusa” (Level 4 with 3,028 points, a member since August 23, 2015) posted the following:

Does the crucifixion and blood sacrifice make logical sense for earning a heaven rather than something like deeds?

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.  Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious:  and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.  Unto you therefore which believe he is precious:  but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,  And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient:  whereunto also they were appointed.  But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;  Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God:  which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.  (1st Peter 2:  5-10, King James Version, KJV)

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  GOD Appearing As Christ (12/03/2017); Wisdom In A Mystery (11/22/2017); Relying on Sacred “Evidence” (11/20/2017); About Using “Sacred Logic” (11/19/2017); Tools For Knowing Divinity (05/12/2017); The Cross and Critical Thinking? (04/13/2016); The Gospel not Logical? (09/16/2012); Unwelcome Gifts? (09/17/2012)

“medusa”, relying on sacred knowledge to talk about sacred themes, a different way of speaking and thinking must be used.  Among Christian believers, meaning, quality, and value for multiple aspects of existence and life are being determined by the living ministry of Jesus Christ that he has shared on the earth, and continues to provide from heaven.  Sinners who become “born again” will undergo permanent changes through operations of spirit content imparted from the makeup of GOD as acts of love and free gifts more than as reward or wages earned through their own works.  Included are inseparable aspects of divine fullness such as faith, forbearance, forgiveness, holiness, longsuffering, lovingkindness, wisdom, and wrath against sin.  The finite frameworks we usually rely on (e.g., emotion, intellect, carnal reason, secular knowledge, thought, time, space), will continue to be used, however, what they supply must be in accordance to divine order, so to speak.

For many Christians and Jews, that Jesus dies on the cross to provide blood for cleansing and remission of sin (we say, atonement and propitiation) is only a single aspect of the full sacred work he completes.  Jesus also makes a prophetic demonstration wherein he becomes the embodiment of sin, and is destroyed in final judgment.  He is raised from the dead, and returns to heaven to finish peculiar works already begun (e.g., building the Holy City (New Jerusalem), judgment of the righteous, preparation for judgment of the wicked).  The nature of love, obedience and sacrifice are shown to be faithfulness, humility, reverence, and unselfishness.  For one must put aside their own awareness, desire and self-will to carry out the will of another, and become accountable for all costs, loss, and related events that may follow.

The salvation Christians speak of is complex, for both divine works and human deeds of acknowledgment performed through endowments of imparted Spirit should come into view.  Consider again the following that uses language from the Bible:

(1.)  Galatians 2:  20, King James Version (KJV):  20 I am crucified with Christ:  nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me:  and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

(2.)  2nd Corinthians 5:  17, KJV:  17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature:  old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

There is far more to be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (3.)  Romans 5:  5-9, KJV:  5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:  for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.  9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
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Today, reply is on the full GODhead appearing through the person of the Son/the Word, Jesus Christ.  The unstated purpose of the GODhead is to continue as active presence who exists, emanates, lives, and puts forth throughout uninterrupted duration.  As Lord, Savior, and Servant, the Creator engages mankind using relationships that are intimate, organic and personal.  When Jesus demonstrated mankind living, dying, and being raised from the dead, all Deity participated with him in applying divine law to allow the imparting of Eternal Life.  A single appearance and Incarnation of the multiple, inseparable aspects of divine fullness was enough to make present and visible the eternal purposes and peculiar sacred works required to reestablish and preserve the benefits and possibilities for Creation as forever being under the authority and sovereign will of GOD.  Included were atonement and propitiation for sin, forgiveness, reconciliation, the completion of tasks to allow mankind existence as immortal and incorruptible, resurrection from death, and the establishment of a higher sanctification.  One of the fighters at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “Anonymous” (no profile information shared) posted the following:

Why were the Holy Ghost and God the Father too cowardly to turn themselves into 2 men & then come to Earth to die for our sins on 2 crosses?

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.  He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:  which is the second death.  (Revelation 21:  6-8, King James Version, KJV)

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Christ Our High Priest (10/25/2017); Undergoing A Sacred Transformation (10/24/2017); The Device of Incarnation (10/18/2017); The Makeup of GOD (09/25/2017); Knowing the Invisible GOD (09/17/2017); The Complete Divine Revelation? (03/10/2017); Incarnate, GOD May Die (05/11/2017)

“Anonymous”, here, a person has to think like a Christian believer, who has received spirit content from the makeup of GOD:  I may not take a handful of understanding, put it in my pocket, or hold it in my hand; even so, I may share understanding, and transmit it to others.  Not all, yet, many of the most important aspects of divine existence are invisible to the eyes of created beings and living creatures, who now also live as carnal, material, secular, and social.  The spirit substance that is divinity (for example, faith, holiness, “oneness without sameness,” wrath against sin) may be present and active while also being diffuse and dispersed (i.e., not limited by barriers within others that block discernment and recognition, or to bias, ignorance, time, and space). 

In the same way full agreement among the persons of the GODhead (Father, Son (who also is called the Word) and the Holy Spirit) was expressed when the Creation was put forth, the three persons of the GODhead are in full accord for what Christians call “the plan of salvation.”  Using the device of Incarnation (i.e., temporarily appearing in human form), the Word came forth from a woman as an infant through a miraculous birth.  The indisputable authority, power, and eternal purposes of the full GODhead (e.g., that mortality should be eliminated, and mankind is to exist as an immortal, incorruptible companion to GOD) are clearly to be seen working in and through the life of Jesus Christ along with sacred events (we say, miracles), necessary suspensions of natural law, the operations of spiritual laws upon consciousness and self-will, and the provision to a newborn of person and traits of expression vital to both divine and human makeup.

Do not be confused by what appears as the independence and separation of Christ on the earth from GOD the Father and the Holy Spirit.  Prophetic demonstrations by the Son as another individual on earth are to be seen by angels, mankind, and other life forms that include commitment, contrition, dutifulness, forbearance, forgiveness, holy boldness, love, obedience, perseverance, respect, and unselfishness. Sinners are to understand that GOD may also indwell and reside within the created.  Those who are “born again” will contain divine seed/DNA, so to speak; are to “grow up again;” and are to become mature/ripe displaying endowments of spirit content from the makeup of GOD.  Developing believers will display deposits from the sovereign will of GOD that operate as willpower to reject and resist sin. 

Consider again the following that uses language from the holy writings:

(1.)  Psalms 19:  1-3, King James Version (KJV):  19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.  2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.  3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

(2.)  Colossians 2:  8-11, KJV:  8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.  9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.  10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:  11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

(3.)  Colossians 1:  12-20, KJV:  12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:  13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:  14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:  15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:  16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:  all things were created by him, and for him:  17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.  18 And he is the head of the body, the church:  who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.  19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;  20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

There is far more to be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.)  Romans 1:  18-23, KJV:  18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;  19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.  20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:  21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.  22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,  23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

 
THE BLACK PHOENIX
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Today, reply is on why salvation requires more than forgiveness of sin.  Divine operations on multiple levels are required to continue and restore relationships of the Creator with created beings and living creatures.  In addition to betrayal, covenant-breaking, and transgression of the law, sinners deny GOD through violations of their own and divine purity as well as of sacred trust.  Finite acts that rely on human knowledge, logic, carnal reason and willpower can neither expose and permanently eliminate sin, nor reestablish love, respect, and the unselfishness essential for oneness without sameness.  With forgiveness there also must be a sacred use of blood to remove sin (we say, remission), to apply life essence (we say, breath, spirit, word), and to convey continuity, duration, eternal purpose, virtue and righteousness from the Son of GOD.  Answering the demands of divine law, fulfilling promise and prophecy, there must be atonement, propitiation, and a transfer of sin onto a disposable or “neutral” body.  Through Jesus Christ, divine operations have come into view that include both the embodiment of divinity and sin (we say, Incarnation) upon the cross; the depiction of mortality completed and sin destroyed along with resurrection, eternal life, judgment and the second death.  A fighter at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “Mr” (Level 5 with 7,185 points, a member since October 04, 2010) posted the following:

 

Every soul will be (held) in pledge for its deeds.Did”God” say he had to die for our sins when all in reality he could have just forgivenUs?

Update:  Ever living and dies and ever living again, there is no such entity/being ever existed. If one is ever living no death could ever come near.God is eternal and ever living that flat out mean no interruption for even a period.

Update 2:  For a man is possible to forgive and for God that is not possible??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgN6kONT...

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;  Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:  Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;  To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness:  that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.  (Romans 3:  23-26, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Forgiveness, Grace and Merit (06/22/2017); Atonement, Repentance and More (06/06/2017); Convinced/Convicted? (05/16/2017); Proclaiming A New Kingdom? (04/13/2017); Salvation Takes A Lifetime (04/06/2017); The Remission of Sin? (06/02/2016); To Foster Godly Sorrow (03/11/2016); Believing In The Cross? (03/04/2016)

 

“Mr”, those returning to GOD through Jesus Christ are accounted as a “new creation.”  With our Creator, an apology and promise not to disobey again are not enough:  words must be armored with deeds and divine substance.  To avoid spiritual confusion it is always important to acknowledge that such elements as grace, divine law, sin, forgiveness, atonement, and remission are not physical devices or objects that appear in ordinary transactions like purchasing food at the grocery.  For salvation, operations on multiple levels must be carried out that are exchanges and interactions of spirit substance within the makeup of GOD.  Included are faith, forbearance, holiness, hope, joy, longsuffering, lovingkindness, wisdom, and wrath against sin.

Sacred events must occur, rather than those that are simply abstract, carnal, intellectual, material, mechanical, secular and social.  Forgiveness that is important to continuing relationship where covenant agreements and law have been violated does not do the same work as confession, rebirth, repentance, sacrifice, and sanctification.  The language used to abbreviate and simplify talking about what are applications of exalted authority, eternal purposes, and expressions of sovereign will is often misapplied and misunderstood.  Consider again the following from the holy writings:

(1.)   Ezekiel 18:  20-24, King James Version (KJV):  20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son:  the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.  21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.  22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him:  in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.  23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GODand not that he should return from his ways, and live?  24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned:  in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

(2.)  Romans 8:  5-9, KJV:  5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:  for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.  9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

(3.)  2nd Corinthians 5:  17-21, KJV:  17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature:  old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.  18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;  19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.  20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us:  we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.  21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.)  1st Peter 1:  18-23, KJV:  18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;  19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:  20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,  21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.  22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:  23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

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Today, repentance and the condition of sinless righteousness are topics.  A fighter at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “Deino” (Level 7 with 75,403 points, a member since April 02, 2007) posted the following:

 

Obviously, even a repentant Christian cannot repent his way to sinlessness, so how do we judge legitimate repentance vs. outright blasphemy?

Or do Christians believe they really have achieved feats of sinless righteousness on Earth?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:  And he is the propitiation for our sins:  and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.  And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.  He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.  But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected:  hereby know we that we are in him.  (1st John 2:  1-3, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Only GOD Is Good? (05/03/2017); Operations of Christian Faith (04/28/2017); No Repentance Without Rebirth? (12/14/2016); On Expecting Quick Results (11/07/2016); Spirit Process not Feelings? (09/21/2016); Why Are Works Required? (07/18/2016); The Remission of Sin? (06/02/2016)

 

“Deino”, given the Bible teaches, All have sinned and come short of the glory of God, there are only 2 kinds of people in the world, penitent sinners (those sorrowing and seeking change) and impenitent sinners (those refusing change who would rather sin than live without sin).  Salvation is a divine work that entails multiple sacred operations to benefit created beings and living creatures.  Included are adoption by the Spirit, anointing, atonement, forbearance, forgiveness, Incarnation, justification, rebirth, resurrection, revelation, and sanctification.  The works performed by believers that display faith and the many inseparable aspects of spirit content from the makeup of GOD (e.g., holiness, hope, joy, longsuffering, lovingkindness, wisdom, wrath against sin) permit the living to express themselves as a new creation having awe, gratitude, humility, meekness, respect, reverence, and imparted righteousness.  Self-expression notwithstanding, while still upon the earth, all Christian believers first are accounted as offspring and heirs with Jesus Christ on the basis of the Savior’s life, ministry, and other works.  Included are his circumcision, his fasting 40 days and 40 nights, his rebuke of Satan, his death, his resurrection, his ascension.

Many speak of a spiritual condition of being “sinless”, yet, fail to realize that “sin” does not exist as a material object or thing that has form and substance provided by the Creator.  Because their thoughts are still framed according to things carnal, material, and social, they fail to apply the spiritual meanings and values established through the Holy Spirit.  Sin may be spoken of as an immaterial, non-spirit influence that opposes the continued existence of sacred law, the Law Giver, and divine order throughout the universe.  Sin is self-destructive and promotes both annihilation and non-existence; therefore, sin and Creation may not co-exist in perpetuity.

Sinners returning to GOD through Jesus Christ are to understand they presently will receive only a divine guarantee or “down-payment” of the full endowment intended for those acknowledging the Kingdom of GOD.  The living, though yet sinners, can be accounted as “blameless” and without sin while undergoing a divine process of growth, new life, and permanent change.  The ongoing transformation of mankind to exist as a companion to immortal, incorruptible divinity will be completed when Christ appears to harvest from the earth those belonging to him who are “ripe” (we say, the Advent, the Rapture, the Second Coming).  Consider again the following from Scripture:

(1.)  John 3:  12, King James Version (KJV):  12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

(2.)  2nd Peter 1:  2-4, KJV:  2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,  3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:  4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises:  that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

(3.)  Romans 4:  15-17, KJV:  15 Because the law worketh wrath:  for where no law is, there is no transgression.  16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,  17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

(4.)  Ephesians 2:  8-9, KJV:  8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:  it is the gift of God:  9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (5.)  Romans 8:  5-9, KJV:  5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:  for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.  9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

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Today, the human predicament and mankind’s standards for determining “good” are in view.  Through the disbelief, disobedience and distrust expressed by Adam and Eve, the makeup and spirit content of mankind as a species has been condemned as unfit to exist as a life companion of eternal divinity:  All have sinned and come short of the glory of GOD.  Rather than through human accomplishments, merit, obedience and self-will, the living must be accounted as “blameless” or having a portion within the divine household on the basis of atonement, propitiation for sin, and the sacred works accomplished on behalf of mankind by Jesus Christ.  One of the fighters at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “Anonymous” (no profile information shared) posted the following:

 

What does it mean to be a good man?

One deserving of love and a family and God

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:  Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver:  in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;  (2nd Corinthians 1:  9-10, King James Version (KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  The Extravagance of Love? (04/02/2017); The Quality of Life? (03/29/2017); GOD Within Christian Believers (07/31/2016); Was David a “Good” Man? (01/13/2015); Being Good, Enough? (01/06/2015); Life Choices (12/14/2013); That Mortal Children Die? (12/15/2013)

 

“Anonymous”, human ideas of “good” center on things carnal, material and social.  When Jesus Christ was approached by someone who addressed him as “good”, the Savior corrected him by saying, there is none good but GOD.  Jesus immediately shared his own understanding that the present condition of mankind and all Creation is one of being fallen in sin, being condemned to death and elimination because of sin, and being totally dependent upon grace, intercession, and divine prerogative that may provide divine forgiveness and mercy in judgment.  The goodness of GOD surpasses the finite standards of men, and therefore is spoken of in many ways.  Included are adoption, blessing, free gifts, divine inheritance, covenant relationship, rebirth, redemption, salvation, and eternal life.

The lives of mortal men will be interrupted by “sleep” (we say, death), and apart from GOD, all that man seeks to accomplish and attain applying human awareness and self-will does not last, and is temporal (i.e., exists only for a brief time).  Even for those “born again”, who experience death, burial, and resurrection of their inborn spirit, order, stability and success must come through struggle, “growing up again,” and the endurance of suffering.

While living on the earth, believers are to strive for their own highest goals, and the complete fulfillment of their personal potential, however, as offspring and heirs of divinity, the followers of the Lord are to display the active presence of Deity through the imparted, indwelling Spirit as an aspect of their lifestyle and living routines.  Believers are to hold to eternal purposes and cooperate with the ongoing operations of GOD among the living.  They are to prepare themselves to be gathered to Christ at his coming (we say, Advent, the Rapture, the Second Coming) when he will harvest those who belong to him that are “ripe” (mature).  Consider again the Scriptures:

(1.)  Psalms 14:  1-3, King James Version (KJV):  1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.  2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.  3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy:  there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

(2.)  Matthew 19:  16-21, KJV:  16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?  17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God:  but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.  18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,  19 Honour thy father and thy mother:  and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.  20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up:  what lack I yet?  21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven:  and come and follow me.

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (3.)  Romans 8:  5-9, KJV:  5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:  for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.  9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

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