Posts Tagged ‘retribution’


As a duty through covenant with GOD, Israel executed corporal punishment against juvenile delinquents and incorrigible sons (see photo reference below).


Today, reply is on accepting correction and punishment from ones parents. The topics considered include forgiveness, mercy, repentance, the needs of community, and how becoming sealed by divinity cuts off all possibilities both for further corruption and for further positive change within an offender’s spirit. In addition to providing justice, the operations of judgment from GOD are to crystallize and make known the unseen effects and spirit outcomes of finite, visible actions and deeds. The work of forgiveness to build up, encourage, heal and continue healthy relationship also is to call forth spiritual change; the operations of conscience; remorse; resolve to recover, renew and restore; and sorrowing for sin that appears as repentance. A fighter in the “Yahoo! Answers” public forum on Religion and Spirituality who using the ID “goodgirlbecky” (Level 1 with 3 points, a member since April 06, 2017) posted the following:


If god always shows mercy when we repent and forgives, how come I have said sorry to my parents and still MUST suffer punishment ?

I got caught shoplifting alcohol from a local shopkeeper as I am only 15 and the shopkeeper knows my mum he called my mum instead of the police, she told the shopkeeper I would be severely punished.

I told my mum I was REALLY sorry , and she made me apologise to the shopkeeper, both my parents said I was forgiven but I MUST be punished with lockdown , so I learn my lesson, tomorrow after school I will be escorted to my bedroom and LOCKED IN for the weekend, I wont be allowed tv or any entertainment,

I will only be let out for the bathroom, lights out and bed 9pm ( PRISON )

I will have to write a 4 page essay on why its wrong to steal,

a 4 page essay on unacaptable behaviour and punishments,



THE GOLDEN ARROW: If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me; And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity: Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land. The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes. And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the LORD their God. But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the LORD. (Leviticus 26: 40-45, King James Version, KJV)


THE DOUBLE DAGGER: Divine Forgiveness and Justice (01/01/2019); Sacred Ministry or Parenting? (05/10/2018); Sin No “One-time” (01/03/2018); Event Having A Seared Conscience (10/29/2018); Accepting the Divine Will? (12/06/2016); Church Attendance and Inheritance (09/11/2016); Punishment To Show Love? (11/29/2015); Of War and Judgment (10/08/2013); Heart, Brain or Spirit? (10/09/2013)


goodgirlbecky”, following a passage from the covenant law granted to Israel that would establish them as a people of GOD and an example to all the other nations on the earth, here are some points to consider that should be helpful among teens and sinners who have chosen to exist as developing Christian believers:

Deuteronomy 21: 18-21, King James Version (KJV): 18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. 21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

1. In the same way parents are held accountable in the law, and must make the otherwise invisible affection, authority, and presence of divinity knowable and known to their own children, they are to help their young ones realize the divine condemnation and unseen damage, loss, and ruin that results from disobedience, lawlessness, and rebellion. Simple actions and behavior, even when intended selfishly and only for ourselves, often have consequences that last indefinitely, are far-reaching, and are widespread.

2. The natural process of human development goes forward through such elements as aging, discovery, gradual growth, demonstrations of proper conduct, instruction, and risk-taking along with trial-and-error. However, the permanent changes that must occur to result in acceptable attitudes and behavior also have to appear within the makeup of ones spirit and self-will (we also say, willpower).

3. Among mature believers, judgment is an aspect of divine blessing because correction, impartiality, mercy, restraint, and righteousness are displayed. Peace is always the outcome of divine judgment, for conflict is resolved, disputes are settled, and respect is restored by applying the sanctions and standards proclaimed within sacred law. By contrast, the outcomes of warfare are not lasting, and usually include anger, bitterness, resentment, and the desire for vengeance that sparks a renewal of hostilities and war.

There is far more that should be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended. (For example, 4. Simply talking, explaining things, and using verbal encouragements are not sufficient to bring about change and repentance. Also, it has been shown that punishment is only effective where a person is still growing, and not after they have grown and are sealed (i.e., divinity will no longer add to or reduce their sacred content). To accept judgment and punishment is to acknowledge the righteousness in the law and in the Lawgiver. Properly understood, punishment goes beyond retribution (eye for an eye), beyond the death sentence, and beyond forcing someone to themselves endure the pain or suffering they have imposed on others. Punishment can introduce order and structure to be internalized that are separate and from outside of the offender. Their character and nature must still include the inseparable elements of life essence from divinity (i.e., breath; spirit; word). Included as a fresh endowment of spirit from the makeup of GOD are faith holiness, longsuffering, lovingkindness, meekness, personhood, wisdom and wrath against sin.) Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.

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Today, reply is made on covenant relationship, divine law, salvation, and the righteousness of GOD.  The rule of “an eye for an eye” expresses a demand for fairness, justice and revenge (we also say, “pay back” and retribution) that do not appear through operations of the Holy Spirit so much as by the flesh and the mind (e.g., appetite, emotion, fear, rage).  Only by using spirit substance imparted from Christ can the mind, heart, and sovereign will of divinity contained in the law be correctly discerned and recognized as active and present.  Both to manifest the intent and eternal purpose of the law as well as to reveal further the character and righteousness within the law, Jesus cautioned all to receive a fresh endowment of spirit content from the makeup of GOD saying, You must be born again.  The living do not receive law willingly by formal mandate and obligation, and so are led to “discover” the law as the expression of their own and divine love.  The fighter in the “Yahoo! Answers” forum who uses the ID “Jay-dub” (Level 2 with 259 points, a member since November 21, 2008) posted the following:


What exactly is meant by “God s laws”.?

I understand the 10 commandments etc., and that they are immutable and can t be changed, even by Jesus. But what about “eye for an eye etc.”? I know it was part of secular law, but is it also one of God s laws? If so then did Jesus change it when he proposed turning the other cheek, or was he simply refuting secular law?


THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight:  for by the law is the knowledge of sin.  But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;  Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:  for there is no difference:  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;  Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:  Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;  To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness:  that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. (Romans 3:  20-26, King James Version, KJV)


THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Divine Wrath Against Sin? (10/17/2017); The Vengeance of GOD? (10/01/2017); GOD Indwells Divine Law (07/14/2017); Righteousness Through Jesus Christ? (12/15/2016); Choice, Duty, and Obligation? (11/17/2016); The Covenant of Noah? (12/16/2014); Atone, Judge and Replenish (12/17/2014); Beyond Punishment (03/21/2014); A Guarantee of Heaven? (03/22/2014)


“Jay-dub”, the word “law” often is a source of confusion.  Christian believers are to acknowledge that multiple meanings for the word “law” appear throughout the Bible.  In addition to commands that require obedience to expressions of divine will (e.g., Thou shalt have no other gods; thou shalt not steal), the word “law” is used to speak of (1) formal covenant agreements with divinity such as the covenant of Moses; (2) the decisions, renderings and verdicts determined through a lawful process of judgment; (3) and the five books of Moses (also called “the law and the prophets;” the Pentateuch); (4) patterns and regularities in  attitude, behavior, and speech (e.g., habits, impulses, lusts; “a law in my members”); and (4.) principles and standards for godliness that are imparted as spirit content.

The end (aim, goal, objective) of the law (not its annulment)  is to make divinity knowable, known, accessible, and approachable.  The operations of sin that were begun through the disobedience of Adam continue to exist within mankind.  The limitations for law from GOD appearing through the nation of Israel include that, participating in covenant relations, and obeying the Ten Commandments and Levitical law do not eliminate sin; does not restore the inseparable aspects of divine content that were lost through Adam (e.g., faith, holiness, righteousness, wisdom, wrath against sin); and human behavior and works do not earn or justify necessary divine responses such as forbearance, forgiveness, grace, and mercy.

Christ does not change the law; he changes sacred knowledge, and he requires discernment of the Spirit content of the law.  In the same way, Jesus Christ dies on the cross as an embodiment of sin to demonstrate the destruction of all that opposes the continued existence of law, the Son of the Highest also is the embodiment (Incarnation) of divine righteousness (penalty) that must be returned to GOD.  Becoming “born again” through baptism (the death, burial, and resurrection of our inborn spirit) joins us to divinity as offspring of GOD and joint-heirs with Christ.   Developing believers are to display sacred content through their lifestyle and daily living routines.  Consider again the following:

1.  Romans 7:  22-24, King James Version (KJV):  22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:  23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.  24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

2.  Roman 7:  12-13, KJV:  12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.  13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

3.  Romans 10:  2-5, KJV:  2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.  3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.  4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.  5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

There is far more to be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, 4.  Romans 5:  5-9, KJV:  5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:  for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.  9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

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The change to eating flesh and other conditions for mankind upon the earth following the fall and the flood are considered today.  A writer at “Yahoo! Answers Canada” using the ID “Gisher John” (Level 3 with 1,548 points a member since September 02, 2008) posted the following:


In The Bible, when did people start eating meat? In the time of Adam and Eve, it was only fruits and veggies correct?


THE GOLDEN ARROW:  And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.  And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.  Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.  But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.  And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man’s brother will I require the life of man.  Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed:  for in the image of God made he man.  And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.  And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying,  And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you;  And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth.  (Genesis 9:  1-10, KJV)


THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Sin and the Great Flood (11/03/2014); Remembering Lot’s Wife? (11/04/2014); Denying GOD by Eating Shrimp? (11/17/2013); The Dead in Christ? (11/18/2013); Animals Do Not Sin? (09/29/2013); GOD is Acknowledging (09/30/2013); Destroyed in Noah’s Flood? (04/28/2013); Both Born Holy? (04/29/2013); Why Blood? (04/13/2013); Time Before the Sun? (04/14/2013)


“Gisher John”, here are a few points based upon the Scriptures that have been helpful for many Christian believers:

(1.)  Before the disobedience of Adam (we say, the fall), the makeup and substance of all created beings and living creatures upon the earth was to be maintained through the eating of “every green herb for meat” (we say, vegetables for food).  Eating fruit from certain of the trees had been forbidden, and death was introduced as a consequence for behavior contrary to the law (i.e., the expressed will of GOD).  The Lord came to the Garden, seeking fallen man.

(2.)  Through their error, the Garden of Eden was no longer an acceptable setting for the pair; and life experience and process for the entire earth would have to be changed, not so much as punishment as “for man’s sake” (instruction, preparation, survival, transformation).  Priesthood was established upon the earth to maintain atonement for sin.

(3.)  Longevity for the patriarchs (hereditary and spiritual heads of families) was not merely based upon their diet.  The earth was not yet defiled and polluted as we find in the present-day.  Adam (930 years), Seth (912 years), Enosh (905 years) and others served as an unbroken line of oral historians, priests (those authorized to offer blood sacrifice) living witnesses and spokespersons (we say, prophets) continuing relationship with divinity.

There is far more to be said, correctly understood, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.)  Following the flood that was to purge (we say, clean both inside and out) the earth that was in ruin through sin, GOD established a new covenant for Creation with Noah and his family.  The conditions and terms for mankind would continue divine law and eternal purpose, and establish penalties against those who kill.  The use of animals for food would be allowed; and men would be required to shed blood to execute divine judgment.)  I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

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Whether covenant people have been guaranteed a place in heaven is the topic, today.  Also, there is more on judgment, punishment and divine retribution.  A “Yahoo! Answers” writer using the ID “Ksh” (Level 5 with 7,777 points, a member since February 25, 2012) posted the following:


Are Jews guaranteed Heaven according to Christianity..?

you know, gods chosen people ans all..


THE  BATTLE AXE:  Beyond Punishment (03/21/2014)—Further goals of judgment are purification and reconciliation.  However, retribution and retaliation are often the aim when delivering punishment (we say, “an eye for and eye,” and “payback”).  Inflicting harm upon others as judgment is addressed within the Bible through the laws provided to establish and maintain order among those who left Egypt along with Moses.  Also, the principle of blessing and cursing introduced at that time continues to be an important aspect of divine operations among mankind.  Divine blessing and cursing are “on condition,” and what a person finally receives will be in accordance with their own actions, attitudes, choices and decisions.  Neither death nor punishment can finish, or satisfy all the demands for full justice.  Therefore, throughout the Scriptures both death and punishment appear repeatedly in order to indicate that there will be eternal judgment.  Sacred events that may appear to be punishment for sins may be, instead, admonition and warning, divine proclamation, fulfillment of promise or prophecy, operations that pertain to repentance as well as the mechanical outworking of processes within the flesh (e.g., circulation, hearing, fornication, respiration, seeing, thought), for material matter (aging, contraction, expansion, rot), and for aspects of the natural world (e.g., erosion, gravity, ice, fire, moonlight, rain, sunlight, wind, water).  See Deuteronomy 30:  15-20, Exodus 21:  22-25, Job 19:  29, Proverbs 13:  21-22, Matthew 23:  13-39 and 1st Corinthians 2:  12-14, KJV.


THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool:  where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?  For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD:  but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.  He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog’s neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine’s blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.  I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear:  but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.  Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name’s sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified:  but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.  (Isaiah 66:  1-5, KJV)


THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Chosen To Serve As Prophets (01/01/2014); Lawful Revenge? (01/02/2014); The Earth Made New (11/13/2013); Hierarchy (11/14/2013); The Place of GOD? (06/01/2013); Putting GOD First? (06/02/2013); The Children, not the Dogs (03/17/2013); Why Jesus Must Be A Jew (03/18/2013); The Benefit of Grace (03/19/2013); The Need to Purify Heaven (01/17/2013); The Place for Eternal Life? (01/06/2013); Therefore There Was Trust (01/07/2013)


“Ksh”, many of those who continue to receive blessings from GOD, because they also continue to bless Israel, would be likely to agree with you where your belief and practice acknowledges the following points:

(1.)  Fulfillment for the desire to see heaven among those who continue in covenant with GOD along with the expectations (we say, hope) and possibilities of GOD for created beings and living creatures all may be described as (a) certain, (b) conditional, (c) in an active and unfinished divine process, and (d) organic, for they are established through life and eternal divine utterance (such as commandment, proclamation, promise, and prophecy). 

(2.)  All who journeyed from Egypt displayed some desire and determination to reach the Promised Land.  However, only two from the armies of Israel (that numbered more than ½ million) actually did possess their allotted portion (Caleb and Joshua).  Even Moses was excluded to demonstrate certain features and principles of a continuous covenant relationship.  Foremost among them, believers must operate directed by the spirit matter deposited within them from divinity, rather than rely upon their inborn human nature.  Included are such inseparable aspects from the makeup of GOD as faith, forbearance, humility, longsuffering, righteousness, wisdom, and wrath against sin.

There is a lot more to be said, correctly applied, thoroughly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (3.)  To be “chosen” is to serve as an instrument in a divine priesthood that makes visible various sacred processes.  So to speak, the chosen must demonstrate and display deliverance, forgiveness, repentance, salvation, and triumph over sin as well as captivity, condemnation, defiance, and disfavor—we say, the “good, the bad, and the ugly.”  Thus, entirely upon the basis of what they understand as having come forth from GOD, Jews and those serving through the ministry of Jesus Christ welcome an inheritance that includes the experience of “going to heaven” by living upon the earth in agreement with eternal purposes such as atonement, creation, death, rebirth, revelation, judgment, and sanctification.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.  For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit. (Jeremiah 17:  7-8, KJV)

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Divine punishment, justice, betrayal and retribution are in view, today.  Also, there is more on Christianity as a culture of judgment.  A “Yahoo! Answers” writer using the ID “Andrew”  (Level 1 with 12 points, a member since January 26, 2014) posted the following:


Does God punish people? 

Let’s say a man makes fun of a blind man. Would God make the man who made fun of him blind as a punishment.


THE BATTLE AXE:  A Culture of Judgment? (03/20/2014)—Christianity may be spoken of as a culture of judgment, yet, it is not a culture of condemnation.  For Christian believers, peace is to be an inner condition of ones being wherein all the changes and interactions of their divine substance are in agreement, in balance, are complete, and occur smoothly.  Believers are “recruited” (we say, called) to serve as “priests and kings.”  It is the peculiar duty of a king to serve as one of the highest authorities in judgment; just as it is a peculiar duty of a priest to make offerings that secure atonement, propitiation for sin, and divine favor.  Created beings and living creatures endure by divine prerogative (we say, grace), and none may justify themselves on the basis of their deeds, their intentions, or their service.  It is their salvation that they may willingly submit to the Son of the Highest, who is justified by participation in GODhead.  Applying their own measures of faith and divine spirit, believers are established as justified in judgment by the Savior’s faithfulness, gratitude, humility, love, obedience, righteousness, and unselfish sacrifice—not their own.  There are now those in existence (we say, sinners, unbelievers) who oppose divine law, judgment, and the continuing sovereignty of GOD.  Where these can not be altered and saved, demands for universal peace and divine perfection require they absolutely must be destroyed.  See Genesis 6:  3, Isaiah 30:  8-15, Jeremiah 29:  19, Galatians 5:  15-26 and Romans 14:  16-18, KJV.


THE GOLDEN ARROW:  He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:  Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?  For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord.  And again, The Lord shall judge his people.  (Hebrews 10:  28-30, KJV)


THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  GOD Enjoys Judgment? (12/19/2013); Miracles are Sacred Events (12/20/2013); Of War and Judgment (10/08/2013); Heart, Brain or Spirit? (10/09/2013); A GOD of Love? (05/07/2013); Commanding the Storm? (05/08/2013); Why So Much Murder? (01/12/2013); Confusion 2013 (01/13/2013); Justice Comes by Love? (10/01/2012); A Daily Revelation? (10/02/2012)


“Andrew”, the best answers for speaking about how GOD operates among mankind all go beyond the simple idea of punishment and reward.  Many times we mislabel what we see from GOD.  Consider the following:

(1.)  Vengeance (we say, justice) is only one goal of divine judgment.  Other objectives include balance, permanent change (we say, correction), perfection, purity, revelation (making the righteousness of GOD known), salvation, and sanctification (cleansing, healing, and setting one apart for divine service).

(2.)  The Bible does report instances where GOD removed affliction from one person, and leveled that same hardship upon another.  When Naaman, a Syrian general, was cured of leprosy, the disease was laid upon Ghazi and all his descendants.  Not only did the much trusted servant of Elisha covet the Syrian’s goods, Gehazi demanded payment for healing and rebirth from GOD, hid the merchandise he had been given, and then lied to the prophet about where he had been, and what he had done (see 2nd Kings 5:  1-27, KJV).

There is a lot more to be said, correctly applied, thoroughly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (3.)  Divine order for the earth is not separated from divine order for heaven.  Therefore, unopposed, the violations of divine law committed among created beings and living creatures have power at a cosmic level to damage unseen features of the universe.  The operations of GOD are not to express human anger, emotion, and indignation so much as to affirm divinity that is made of spirit substance.  Included are such eternal, inseparable, and unchanging aspects of GOD as faith, forbearance, forgiveness, holiness, joy, longsuffering, love, wisdom, and wrath against sin.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, Alas, my master! how shall we do?  And he answered, Fear not:  for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.  And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw:  and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.  (2nd Kings 6:  15-17, KJV)

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Atheists, divine love, and the love of Christian believers are in view, today.  Also, there is more on justice and lawful revenge.  A “Yahoo! Answers” writer using the ID “Madyson” (Level 1 with 135 points, a member since December 24, 2013) posted the following:


Christians, do you love us Atheists like God loves us?


THE BATTLE AXE:  Lawful Revenge? (01/02/2013)—Many confuse justice with retribution (we say, get back and pay back).  Such persons understand equity and fairness as a matter of “sameness” (those who attack or hurt me should suffer the exact same way that I suffer).  However, to correctly establish justice is not always a matter of parity.  Often imbalance may be removed by a 60/40 or 70/30 solution in place of the 50/50.  The violence of a community against transgressors is usually accounted as acceptable given that, where individuals seek to exalt their own will against consensus and law, patterns of extreme and unbalanced emotional and mental functioning tend to appear that cancel productive communication, logic, reason, and interpersonal exchange.  Saying this another way:  Offenders call forth violence upon themselves by displaying arrogance, lack of remorse, persistence, pride, selfishness and unwillingness to cooperate with, or submit to the law.  In divine judgment, grace and mercy come into view as eternal aspects of divinity, divine prerogative, and expressions of the sovereign will of GOD.  Thus, those who despise mercy are denied mercy, and those who do not at first submit to GOD willingly must do so by the force of truth revealed as Jesus Christ (see Romans 9:  15-17, James 2:  13 and Revelation 1:  7, KJV).


THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.  But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.  For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;  (Hebrews 3:  12-14, KJV)


THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Kicked Out By Parents? (11/27/2013); Before Getting Baptized? (11/28/2013); Salvation for Atheists (06/14/2013); Church is Good (06/15/2013); Foolish For Not Believing? (03/22/2013); Science and the Laws of Nature? (03/23/2013); On Producing Atheists (03/16/2013); The Children, not the Dogs (03/17/2013)


“Madyson”, few Christians achieve their goals for divine love and perfection while still caught up in the many life conflicts and struggles that are part of continuing as carnal, material and social beings upon the earth.  Even so, believers are commanded to love as the Father loves, and are endowed with divine spirit that makes possible their godly responses to enemies as well as to intimate dear ones.

The Bible also includes strong warnings against those who are not part of the life and work for Christian believers (see 2nd Corinthians 2:  16 and 2nd Timothy 3:  1-5, KJV).  Atheists are not a part of the priesthood in Christ.  Therefore, few atheists contain the same divine spirit substance provided by GOD to Christians; and so atheists often frustrate the godly efforts from followers of Jesus.  This is true even for acts to show kindness, love, prayer, reflection, sharing, and worship.  Many Christians, whose development may be in early stages, become sick in spirit as they deal with daily attacks, indifference and insults made by those promoting themselves as atheists.  Where a believer’s proper care for the salvation of others (many say, a burden for souls) is belittled and despised, he or she may feel a great anguish, despair, and sense of loss knowing the darkness a sinner will face without the divine provisions in Christ.  Other believers may react with what seems to be anger, or bitterness that, in fact, is the Spirit of GOD appearing as wrath against sin.

There is far more to be said, properly shared, and understood as true spirit content from GOD.  For example, every person’s salvation is from divine grace, not from their own desire, passion, and finite will.  New relationship to GOD at first comes only by multiple operations and sacred events carried out by the Spirit of GOD.  A sinner or unbeliever must experience many sweeping and permanent changes.  They must be born again from divine DNA, so to speak, and to receive the divine nature.  Once born again and endowed with content from the person of GOD, the believer must “grow up” again, and mature having new knowledge, and new aspects of self-will.  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Grow in grace.

He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?  (Micah 6:  8, KJV)

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