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Martyrs Under the Altar

 

Today, reply is on existence, life, and whether spirits of the dead actually exist. Mortality and death pertain to the state of the physical body more than to the influence of spirit on the process and substance of life. The deposit of spirit that operates as life within both Christians and sinners is understood as different from the spirit that appears as religion, or the imparted spirit from the makeup of GOD provided for rebirth and salvation in those becoming born again. While there is much disagreement among Christians regarding the place where ones life spirit is located or resides after leaving a physical body (e.g., limbo, purgatory, the place of torment), many nonetheless agree that ones spirit continues to exist, and will at some point re-occupy its own form (body). It is written: Romans 8: 22-23, King James Version (KJV): 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. A fighter in the “Yahoo! Answers” public forum on Religion and Spirituality who uses the ID “Skittles” (Level 3 with 1,672 points, a member since May 12, 2012) posted the following:

 

Does spirits of the dead really exist?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW: For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (for we walk by faith, not by sight.) (2nd Corinthians 5: 1-7, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER: Present With The Lord (08/05/2019); Death Used in Salvation (06/28/2019); Two Uses For Resurrection (05/01/2019); Challenged To Explain Resurrection (10/08/2018); The Comfort Through Christ? (01/13/2017); Signs From The Dead? (01/15/2017); Life Is GOD’s Intent (11/15/2016); Discovered Differences? (09/18/2015); Spirit, Spirit Beings, Spirit Persons? (10/13/2015)

 

Skittles”, here are some thoughts you may find helpful. Mature Christians do not acknowledge apparitions, ghosts, phantoms, and occult creatures. As a matter of their faith and full understanding, many agree that where life essence (we also say, breath; spirit; word) has been imparted from GOD to inhabit flesh and blood, a created being or creature is produced who displays consciousness, existence, and life. GOD must be joined with a material body for there to be “a living soul.” Material things may exist having neither consciousness nor life (e.g., a cardboard box; a corpse; a stone idol). Even so, all material things that exist occupy measurable amounts of space, and may register as a focus or object in the consciousness of the living.

Spirit can not be known completely and correctly, or manipulated using only such finite human tools as intellect, logic, sensation, recall, and thought. Spirit matter exists as unseen active presence; may display direction; and may of itself both concentrate and expand. The operations of Spirit become visible through its effects, and when Spirit embodies or uses multiple forms as vessels. Destroying a vessel that contains spirit matter does not always destroy its spirit content also. Because spirit substance is diffuse, immaterial, invisible, and immeasurable, many deny the existence of Spirit. In their error, they insist “spirit” has no authentic influence and power over the living.

Death is the completion of ones mortality; the loss of life; and the separation event where the spirit that allows the living to display direction, personhood, purpose, and self-will leaves the physical body. To comfort survivors of bereavement, mankind continues to use many diverse explanations and traditions that promote the continued existence of ones spirit, and therefore, possibilities for their life to be renewed and restored. Divine judgment requires resurrection of the dead, for all who appear before divinity must be alive. Consider again the following found among Christians that use language from the Bible:

1. Ecclesiastes 3: 18-22, King James Version (KJV): 18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. 20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. 21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? 22 Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?

2. Ecclesiastes 12: 1-7, KJV: 1 Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them; 2 While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain: 3 In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be darkened, 4 And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of musick shall be brought low; 5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets: 6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. 7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

There is far more that should be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended. (For example, 3. Revelation 20: 4-6, KJV: 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.) Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.

 

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From Dust

 

Today, reply is on burial for the dead as the fulfillment of divine proclamation, rather than comfort in bereavement, family duty, or using novelty to express affection and memorial.  The substance of mankind is both from dust and from heaven.  Many of the human errors regarding the condition and state of the dead also are recorded in the holy writings (e.g., in the Golden Arrow below, Job describes a widely held error, that there is a realm of the dead where the living may rest and sleep.  By contrast, the Holy City, New Jerusalem, is to be a realm of those raised and returned from the dead who all will have eternal life.  Even so, the Bible does not teach that we will die, go to our graves, and there live happily ever after.)  While some insist that their dead be interred in settings that have been sanctified through prayer (i.e., church yards; holy ground)—and account it a form of excommunication to be denied burial as a benefit, privilege, and righteous reward for having been loyal members within a church congregation—resurrection of the dead in completion of divine judgment even will include divinity acknowledging and restoring bodies that were destroyed or lost through burning, dismemberment, and explosions.  Beyond resurrection and ones personhood existing in the divine presence, there is little indication within the holy writings that how the physical body is disposed of determines closure, completeness, contentment, or fulfillment for ones spirit.  In the vision granted to John, souls under the altar behave as petitions and prayers for judgment, justice, and righteousness, to wit, the redemption of the body.    The  fighter in the “Yahoo! Answers” Religion and Spirituality forum who uses the ID “?” (Level 1 with 30 points, a member since April 11, 2018) posted the following:

 

Do you want to be cremated or buried ?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Why died I not from the womb? why did I not give up the ghost when I came out of the belly?  Why did the knees prevent me? or why the breasts that I should suck?  For now should I have lain still and been quiet, I should have slept:  then had I been at rest,  With kings and counsellors of the earth, which build desolate places for themselves;  Or with princes that had gold, who filled their houses with silver:  Or as an hidden untimely birth I had not been; as infants which never saw light.  There the wicked cease from troubling; and there the weary be at rest.  There the prisoners rest together; they hear not the voice of the oppressor.  The small and great are there; and the servant is free from his master.  Wherefore is light given to him that is in misery, and life unto the bitter in soul;  Which long for death, but it cometh not; and dig for it more than for hid treasures;  Which rejoice exceedingly, and are glad, when they can find the grave?  (Job 3:  11-22, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Completing Divine Unfinished Business (04/17/2017); Life Is GOD’s Intent (11/15/2016); The Purpose of Resurrection (07/05/2016); The Body of Moses (05/11/2014); GOD Permits Evil? (05/12/2014); Our Present Comfort? (06/28/2013); Come As You Are? (06/29/2013); Scripture at Funerals? (04/30/2013); Why Jesus Authored No Books (05/01/2013)

 

“?”, here are some points mature Christian believers have found helpful for maintaining godly focus on issues of death, mourning, and remembrance:

1.  The word of GOD to Adam (“to dust thou shalt return”)  was speaking about the material form (we say, the body; the flesh) that may exist without life essence (we say, breath, spirit, word) imparted from the makeup of GOD.  A physical complete body may exist, yet, be without spirit content to qualify as “a living soul.”  It is written:  Ecclesiastes 12:  7, King James Version (KJV):  7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:  and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

2.  Abraham traveled throughout Canaan as a nomad, and did not seek to obtain property by conquest, by continuous occupation, or purchase.  Abraham was offered a piece of land as a gift, and a show of respect, however, the Patriarch insisted there be an open transaction for the public record in the gate (i.e., downtown; the business district; the town square).  It is written:  Genesis 23:  19-20, KJV:  19 And after this, Abraham buried Sarah his wife in the cave of the field of Machpelah before Mamre:  the same is Hebron in the land of Canaan.  20 And the field, and the cave that is therein, were made sure unto Abraham for a possession of a buryingplace by the sons of Heth.

3.  Blood from murder and warfare defile the earth.  Thus, burial comes into view as more than simply an act of sanitation to remove decomposing flesh.  Burial comes into view as an expression of dynasty, family, inheritance and marital love that uses the frameworks of time and space to provide measurable dimensions and unchanging parameters for remembrance.  It is written:   Genesis 49:  28-33, KJV:  28 All these are the twelve tribes of Israel:  and this is it that their father spake unto them, and blessed them; every one according to his blessing he blessed them.  29 And he charged them, and said unto them, I am to be gathered unto my people:  bury me with my fathers in the cave that is in the field of Ephron the Hittite,  30 In the cave that is in the field of Machpelah, which is before Mamre, in the land of Canaan, which Abraham bought with the field of Ephron the Hittite for a possession of a buryingplace.  31 There they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife; there they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife; and there I buried Leah.  32 The purchase of the field and of the cave that is therein was from the children of Heth.  33 And when Jacob had made an end of commanding his sons, he gathered up his feet into the bed, and yielded up the ghost, and was gathered unto his people.

4.  The examples from Abraham (who is called the Friend of GOD) and Jacob (also called Israel) are seen responding to the oneness without sameness that mankind is to display as a product and fruit of the earth as well as the initial commission that mankind replenish the earth.  Christians do not preserve dead bodies to await the return of their spirit.  No dead body is of itself holy or sacred (thus, the taking up of Joseph’s body at the Exodus was not an act of idolatry and worshiping his remains); and there is no belief in an “immortal soul,” or reincarnation where spirit content is recycled.  It is written:  1st Chronicles 10:  10-14, KJV:  10 And they put his armour in the house of their gods, and fastened his head in the temple of Dagon.  11 And when all Jabeshgilead heard all that the Philistines had done to Saul,  12 They arose, all the valiant men, and took away the body of Saul, and the bodies of his sons, and brought them to Jabesh, and buried their bones under the oak in Jabesh, and fasted seven days.  13 So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it;  14 And enquired not of the LORD:  therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse.

There is far more that should be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, regarding the activity, condition, and state of the dead, the holy writings plainly declare the dead neither have awareness or physical feeling; they do not praise GOD; and they neither labor nor rest.  Even so, spirits from the living are being maintained through sacred operations.  Many offer heartfelt prayers that the response of GOD to souls of the saints will continue compassion, mercy, and peace.  It is written:  5.  Revelation 6:  8-10, KJV:  8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse:  and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.  9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:  10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O LORD, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

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Father, Son, Spirit

 

Today, focus is on the totality of operations, purposes, and substance acknowledged by the living as divinity and spirit.  In addition to the Father, who is spirit, and the Incarnate Son who appears using flesh and bone, the Holy Spirit depicted by a dove completes the three persons of the One we call the GODhead.  The Holy Spirit is also known as the Comforter, the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Prophecy, and the Spirit of Truth.  The holy writings convey and impart spirit matter, and speak of ministering spirits (the holy angels); spirit substance from the fullness of divine being such as faith, holiness, immortality, incorruption, wisdom, and wrath against sin; the spirit imparted to mankind from GOD that is life essence (we also say, breath, word); the spirit matter that indwelled Jesus Christ while on the earth; the spirit that operates in rebirth and resurrection of a sinner’s inborn spirit; and the gifts of the Holy Spirit that are required to edify and empower the community of believers who follow Christ as his church.  The fighter at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “John” (Level 1 with 3 points, date enrolled is withheld) posted the following:

 

What do christians mean by ‘spirit’? What is spirit, like when they say that god consists of spirit?

And is it the same stuff as souls are made of?

Please be as specific as possible, since this is a very important aspect of theology to understand.

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:  And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;  And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD:  and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:  But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth:  and he shall smite the earth:  with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.  And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.  The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.  (Isaiah 11:  1-6, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Hope That Is True (02/20/2017); Divine Presence and Spirit (01/18/2017); Learning From A Spirit? (08/25/2016); Word, Son, and Christ? (08/24/2016); Spirit, Spirit Beings, Spirit Persons? (10/13/2015); Can The Bible Be Increased? (05/31/2015); The Words Are Spirit? (06/03/2015)

 

“John”, the finite tools of created beings and living creatures such as emotion, intelligence, logic, philosophy, science and technology are useless to completely and correctly apprehend “spirit” .  Moreover, sacred knowledge from GOD, about GOD, is granted on a “need to know” basis through discovery and is given to those who are in peculiar personal relationships with divinity (e.g., apostles, covenant partners, offspring, prophets, spokespersons).  Those who receive revealed truth become shielded against spiritual confusion and error by themselves containing aspects of divine person (we say, the imparted spirit); and by their being directed and focused through divine law, sacred practice, and eternal purpose.

The GODhead (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) should be acknowledged as a single fullness who manifests all divine substance.  The three persons of the GODhead interact having oneness without sameness.  Inseparable aspects of Deity (where you find one, all the others also appear; however, not necessarily in the same measure or proportion) continually coalesce, interact, distance themselves from one another without separation, and reconfigure.  Included are such substance as authority, awe, completeness, longsuffering, lovingkindness, perfection, person, presence, righteousness, and sovereign will.

Man became a “living soul” when GOD imparted life essence (we also say, breath, spirit, word) into a form that had been prepared to serve as a vessel for divine substance.   Spirit may exist without form (we say, body); and the dead may be understood as spirit separated from body; however, the living must have both form and spirit.  Because the Scriptures do speak of “souls under the altar,” many believe there can be disembodied souls, and even, undying and eternal souls.  Resurrected spirits without their body from GOD are like promises, prophecies, and visions without their fulfillment.  Just as “possibilities” have existence without material form; resurrected spirits are as shadows, and lack full substance to those in mortality.  Consider again the following that uses language from the Bible:

(1.)  Deuteronomy 29:  29, King James Version (KJV):  29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God:  but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

(2.)  Romans 8:  5-9, KJV:  5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:  for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.  9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

There is far more to be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (3.)  1st Corinthians 13:  11-13, KJV:  11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child:  but when I became a man, I put away childish things.  12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face:  now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.  13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

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Blue Angels

 

Today, whether others will accept a person’s testimony and witness regarding angels is the topic.  The truth divinity is providing to mankind is centered upon Jesus Christ not angels, not death, not Satan, not Sin.  Among Christian believers, those entrusted with sacred truth always are challenged to make their own lifestyle and daily routines a continuous declaration of ministry by Jesus Christ.  Accounts of angels, miracles, and other aspects of divine ministry also are necessary, can be fruitful, and for some will be unforgettable.  Even so, what believers experience as a sacred event may require they delay its proclamation until they first clarify what has occurred within themselves, and have a firm understanding of its meaning and value.  They may prepare themselves through dialog with others, fasting, meditation, prayer, and focused study of the Scriptures.  Responses from those who are born again (i.e., having a fresh endowment of spirit substance from the makeup of the Creator such as faith, holiness, longsuffering, wrath against sin), and those who already have skill applying spiritual discernment likely will be very different from those who are yet sinners and merely curious.  Without altering or bending the truth, the person sharing witness has to present their message in ways that respond to the ability, meekness, and readiness of their hearers.  Those who serve as watchmen, or are sent as apostles, evangelists, prophets, spokespersons, and witnesses often must operate with a sense of urgency.  They are all “first responders” and their mission is to save lives.  They must work with the understanding that souls are in the balance, and they themselves may never be given a second opportunity.  Thus, every message, statement, and testimony they share is to be presented as from the lips of Jesus to cleanse, heal, and nourish his church.  One of the many fighters at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “Anonymous” (no profile information shared) posted the following:

 

If someone saw an angel will people believe?

I was bored and wondering if someone saw angels for real will people or someone believe them and what should they do keep the info or what?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:  For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.  And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.  And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.  And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him:  and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.  And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.  And Lot said unto them, Oh, not so, my Lord:  Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die:  Behold now, this city is near to flee unto, and it is a little one:  Oh, let me escape thither, (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall live.  And he said unto him, See, I have accepted thee concerning this thing also, that I will not overthrow this city, for the which thou hast spoken.  Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do anything till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.  The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar.  Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;  And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.  (Genesis 19:  12-25, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Spirit, Spirit Beings, Spirit Persons? (10/13/2015); The Need For Divine Rule? (08/27/2015); Getting It Right About Angels (05/10/2015); Miracles and Visitations? (03/03/2014); All Lying Forbidden? (03/04/2014); A Visit from an Angel? (10/20/2013); The Head Not The Tail? (10/21/2013)

 

“Anonymous”, in my experience, angels are alive, are as real as the many rock stars we have supported (i.e., grooved to) yet never met, and continue to be used as servants of Jesus Christ and of the Father.  What a person will have to say regarding their own experience of sacred events (that may include, healing, miracles, praise, prayer, speaking in tongues, trances, and worship) will vary according to such features as the assignment, charge, or duty they will be given and held accountable for; the sacred knowledge they receive and are able to apply; other persons and witnesses who are present, are to be contacted, or are to be approached and enlisted for assistance; their individual level of maturity, skill, and understanding as a follower and servant of the Lord as well as the specific intent and eternal purposes that are involved.  When it comes to sacred events, no true believer “brags”, is self-promoting, or shows off, for they understand that what occurred was not because of their own goodness, holiness, righteousness, and self-will; it was the will of the Lord.

While ones experience of a sacred event also is intended for their own correction, development, and personal growth—and can be described as affirming, amazing, beautiful and wondrous—such occurrences are rarely for ones amusement, entertainment, private enjoyment, and gratification.  To avoid spiritual confusion and error, emotional and psychological stability should be in place that comes with a solid foundation of faith.  What one encounters may seem demonic, dreamlike, incredible (i.e., not to be believed), or magical and unreal. 

Courage to speak and proclaim ones experience to others (often called testimony and witness) comes through acceptance of ones duty to share truth, and the understanding that your task may only be completely and correctly carried out by acknowledgement of its authenticity, authority, and divine origin.  In effect, the believer is under oath and upon a witness stand in sacred judgment, and must speak the truth or be severely reprimanded.  Acceptance of witness depends upon factors that include believers and sinners acknowledging the active presence of divinity in the person of the Holy Spirit (also called the Comforter, the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Prophecy, the Spirit of Truth); your own and the willingness of others to obey divine law, prophecy (comfort, edification, and exhortation for the church to take action), and revelation (invisible divinity becoming knowable and known, and visible); and the existence of imparted, indwelling spirit substance from the makeup of the Creator (e.g., faith, holiness, longsuffering, meekness, wisdom, and wrath against sin) within those to whom the demonstrations, messages, and visitations are sent.

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Today, points are shared on language used to speak of the soul and the spirit.  When a “living soul” dies the spirit from GOD is separated from the flesh.  Yet, an account in Scripture reports a dead man revived when he touched the bones of the Prophet Elisha (see 2nd Kings 10:  21, King James Version (KJV) ).  For this to happen, there had to be contact with the Spirit that earlier inhabited the prophet; and his bones (we say, relics) had to contain a residue of the anointing, spirit content, and power that worked through Elisha while he was living.  Consider again the following from the Bible, and the points appearing below:  John 4:  23-24, KJV:  23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth:  for the Father seeketh such to worship him.  24 God is a Spirit:  and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.  The writer at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “barajab” (Level 3 with 1,897 points, a member since April 05, 2010) posted the following:

Whats the differents between a spirit and soul?

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:  for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.  But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.  Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.  And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.  (Romans 8:  5-10, KJV)

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  The Only Physical Being in Heaven? (06/17/2015); GOD Is A Spirit? (12/07/2014); The Mystery of His Appearing (12/08/2014); Destroying the Resurrected Body? (02/10/2014); For They Shall Be Ashes (02/11/2014); Why Blood? (04/13/2013); Time Before the Sun? (04/14/2013); “Soul” Food? (12/06/2012); Holiday Displays? (12/07/2012); The Spirit is Willing (10/20/2012); Spirit Matter (10/21/2012)

“barajab”, may I share some thoughts I’ve come to after many years thinking about “the soul” and “the spirit.”   The following points on spirit beings, spirit-filled beings, and Spirit persons (the GODhead) will give you some positive ideas to eliminate error and spiritual confusion:

(1.)  Usually, Christian believers rely upon the holy writings to explain the meanings for “spirit” and “soul” in a fixed and focused manner, because when using these terms, multiple subtleties (i.e., barely visible differences; hidden shifts in direction and value) are often introduced by ones intent.  Using “spirit”, existence may be understood as enduring, or having presence without measurable dimensions.  Conditions and frameworks need not be applied that describe carnal, material, physical, and social being, or mortality, space and time.

(2.)  Mankind was first fashioned as an object that was empty and void of divine spirit (we also say, breath, life essence, spark, word).  When divinity imparted aspects of the divine makeup into the lifeless form, “man became a living soul.”  It is in this sense that mankind is made in the image of GOD as well as that, through the imparted Spirit, men may perform sacred duties, share sacred knowledge, and fulfill eternal purpose.

(3.)  Divinity is made up of inseparable substances entirely spirit in their content including faith, holiness, purity, righteousness, truth, wisdom, and wrath against sin.  Faith is made up only of faith, holiness only of holiness, truth only of truth, etc.  The communication, exchanges and interactions between and among the aspects of full spirit content are manifested and revealed to finite living creatures as active presence, character, nature, person, and eternal purpose.  Divinity continues to exist having the human form used to appear in the earth as Jesus Christ.

(4.)  Many mistakenly speak of “the immortal soul,” however, only GOD is immortal.  Angels, demons, devils, the sacred beasts of heaven, and unclean spirits (we say, spirit beings) are created beings and living creatures whose makeup and substance is spirit.  While they may have been fashioned and given life long before the creation of the earth, they are neither mortal nor immortal.  Their duration is not determined by their form; rather, they continue by the dispensation of GOD (we say, grace), and divine prerogative.

(5.)  There is no “dead” soul; yet, at death ones spirit is separated from the physical body.  The spirit from a dead person does continue to exist, however, not within any frame of reference presently known in the experience of the living.  Death is spoken of as sleep, because sleep describes the suspension of awareness and self-will.  However, sleep is an action among the living.

(6.)  Living persons are said to be “dead in spirit” where they do not respond to the divine law, the imperatives of judgment and sacred truth, or the living will of GOD.  In effect, they lack the basic equipment for correct comprehension and response to utterances provided by divinity for continuous acknowledgment and contact (e.g., admonition, confession, fellowship with other believers, giving, guidance, obedience, offering, prayer, praise, promise, prophecy, sacrifice).

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (7.)  The followers of Jesus Christ are to be “spirit-filled beings” as they continue living in the earth, facing the same life challenges as everyone else.  Just as they are “born again” through baptism (death of ones inborn spirit; rebirth from divine DNA, so to speak) and operations by the Spirit of GOD, believers must “grow up again.”  All are to appear mature, “ripe” and ready to be harvested from the earth by Jesus Christ at his Advent (we say, Second Coming).  Their transformation to live as immortal and incorruptible will be completed at that time.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

Today, Scripture points are shared on the Incarnation, the Savior’s ascension from the earth, and his bodily form in heaven.  The writer at “Yahoo! 7 Answers (Australia)” using the ID “chris” (Level 1 with 0 (zero) points reported, a member since December 26, 2014) posted the following:

 

Bible: Is Jesus currently the only physical being in heaven, or do you think he has returned to heaven in spirit form as before being born?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?  And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.  But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you:  and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.  And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.  And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;  Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.  Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day’s journey.  (Acts 1:  6-12, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  It Is Our Wisdom To Ask (05/18/2015); The GOD Part of Jesus? (05/06/2015); Can Man Kill GOD? (12/14/2014); An Eternal and Permanent Solution? (12/15/2014); Jesus Rose? (11/08/2013); Why Was A Son Sent? (11/10/2013); Promise of A Spirit? (11/11/2013); The Ascension of Christ? (12/19/2012); GOD in Schools? (12/20/2012)

 

“chris”, Christian believers are to rely upon the holy writings that are a collection of answers from GOD as the primary source for responses to a question like yours, because sacred history, prophecy and revelation all must be shared.  Please consider the following:

(1.)  Deuteronomy 4:  15-20, King James Version (KJV):  15 Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire:  16 Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,  17 The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air,  18 The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth:  19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.  20 But the LORD hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, even out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as ye are this day.

(2.)  Hebrews 1:  1-8, KJV:  1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,  2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;  3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:  4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.  5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?  6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.  7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.  8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:  a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

(3.)  Matthew 17:  1-9, KJV:  1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,  2 And was transfigured before them:  and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.  3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.  4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here:  if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.  5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them:  and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.  6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.  7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.  8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.  9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

(4.)  John 20:  15-18, KJV:  15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.  16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.  17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father:  but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.  18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.

(5.)  Romans 8:  22-24, KJV:  22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.  23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.  24 For we are saved by hope:  but hope that is seen is not hope:  for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

(6.)  Revelation 4:  1-5, KJV:  4 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven:  and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.  2 And immediately I was in the spirit:  and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.  3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone:  and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.  4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats:  and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.  5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices:  and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

(7.)  Revelation 6:  9-11, KJV:  9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:  10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?  11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

There is far more to be said, correctly understood, and spiritually taken into account.  (For example, (8.)  Colossians 1:  12-22, KJV:  12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:  13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:  14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:  15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:  16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:  all things were created by him, and for him:  17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.  18 And he is the head of the body, the church:  who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.  19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;  20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.  21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled  22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

Some points are shared, today, on the place and state of the dead, and the full work of divinity for salvation.  The doctrine that Jesus descended into hell in the time following his crucifixion and before his resurrection is based upon selected passages from the holy writings that can be easily misread.  (See for example, 1st Peter 3:  18-20 and 1st Peter 4:  6, King James Version.)  The point of such teaching is not to condemn Christ; rather, it is to describe the spiritual operations completed through his work as One Sent.  With the Scriptures, there are many considerations that also should come into view.  Apart from the Holy Spirit, no man may call Jesus “Lord”; and having the Spirit, none may call Jesus “accursed” (1st Corinthians 12:  3, KJV).  There are no specific tests for discerning and recognizing the harrowing of hell as an authentic doctrine from the Father.  Yet, as with all the truths that make up the Gospel, certainty and conviction can appear among those who are born again only as the product of their action, obedience, and service to fulfill the Father’s will.  The fighter at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “Ruth” (Level 7 with 92,369 points, a member since December 04, 2010) posted the following:

 

How could Christ descend into hell, that to me is blasphemy, anyone else feel this way?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.  If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.  He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory:  but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.  (John 7:  16-18, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Not Told in Advance? (10/11/2014); Catholics, Protestants and the Trinity? (10/12/2014); Only While We Live? (12/02/2013); Reveal Himself To All? (12/03/2013); The Dead in Christ? (11/18/2013); Too Much Holy Spirit? (11/19/2013); Understanding Hell (01/09/2013); The Golden Age? (01/10/2013); After the Rapture? (11/01/2012); Opportunity to Repent (11/02/2012)

 

“Ruth”, here are a few points that have helped Christian believers overcome spiritual confusion:

(1.)  There are many teachings that derive from the true principles of the Gospel that may only be received by faith and through operations of the Holy Spirit.  That Christ died upon the cross, was buried, and was raised from the dead is only one facet of the many divine operations to accomplish our full salvation.  Believers must also hold that the blood of Jesus is applied for atonement; that believers die and are raised with Christ through baptism (death of ones inborn spirit; rebirth from a divine endowment of Spirit); and that believers must accomplish a life of sanctification.  More than this, Jesus is to be understood as coming under the full judgment against sin on behalf of those belonging to his kingdom; and this is accounted necessary to his complete work as our substitute, the Lamb of GOD that takes away the sin of the world.

(2.)  Ideas describing hell as a place where the dead may communicate and interact with one another are not in accordance with the teachings of Scripture.  The holy writings plainly state, the dead have no awareness, do not praise GOD, and may not serve divinity as angelic messengers.  With this in view, Christ could not be active while in the grave.

(3.)  The doctrine that Christ descended into the earth, instructed those who had lived upon the earth before his coming in the flesh as Jesus of Nazareth, supernaturally gathered and harvested those among the dead who had demonstrated faith, and returned to heaven accompanied by spirits is not accounted as farfetched.  Where the Scriptures speak of elders and souls in heaven, many are confident that these were gathered when GOD appeared incarnate to mankind.  Others are convinced these only received the Son of GOD—while they lived upon the earth—in the form of proclamations, promises and prophecies that had power to establish their unity with Christ through faith.  Every believer must hold to the form of doctrine they themselves have received that establishes their own clear understanding without also contending against the conviction of others on such points as these, that can only have their resolution when the Savior returns to us.

There is far more to be said, correctly understood, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.)  GOD is a GOD of the living; and it is not impossible for GOD to maintain those having the form of flesh within the heavens (not the grave, not the place of torment) as living persons.  Thus, Moses and Elijah could appear to Jesus at the time of his transfiguration.  Jesus is alive today, in the form of flesh, and continues to serve in the Temple of heaven as the High Priest, and is continuing the preparations for his second coming as well as for the completion of final judgment.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to the measure of your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC