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Today, reply is on the Bible account of Jacob wrestling with an angel. The image above was downloaded from the Auckland Theology and Religious Studies blog (December 3, 2015 ) Edward Knippers ― Advent offering 3: Angelic Muscles and Masculinities by Caroline Blyth at https://aucklandtheology.wordpress.com/category/edward-knippers/). A fighter in the “Yahoo! Answers” Religion and Spirituality public forum who uses the ID “Genius” (Level 1 with 8 points, a member since August 13, 2018) posted the following:

 

Hey believers remember that story in bible where god was in a wrestling match?

I would have given god 3 stunners, 3 rock bottoms, 3 tombstones, 3 pedigrees, 3 atiude adjustments, 3 spears and the sharpshooter

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW: If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. (1st Corinthians 15: 32-33, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER: Chosen Through Sacred Process (09/06/2018); Eating and Drinking Christ?(07/03/2017); Inheritance Must Become Commitment (05/15/2017); Church Attendance and Inheritance (09/11/2016); Sheep of His Pasture (09/09/2016); An Eternal Inheritance? (06/26/2016); Blessing and Inheritance from Abraham? (06/05/2014); On Christians Executing Judgment (06/06/2014)

 

Genius”, in responding to the account of Jacob wrestling with an angel, many mature Christian believers would prayerfully consider the following:

The calling to divine service, sanctification, and separation of Jacob to serve as “the second Adam” began even before Esau, his twin brother, threatened to kill Jacob, and forced Jacob to leave the home of their parents, Isaac and Rebekah. Rebekah had been barren before GOD allowed her to bear the tw0; and while they were still struggling against one another within her womb, GOD indicated that one would prevail, and be used to further reveal divine grace. The Patriarch Isaac was the heir to the priesthood of Abraham. While his sons were both aware that the blessing Isaac would pronounce upon his primary heir would provide a double portion to the one he had chosen (i.e., 2 sons, 3 portions; 12 sons, 13 portions). Prior to the operations by GOD, neither of the twins correctly understood that Isaac’s blessing would be a divine proclamation, and sacred prophecy.

Because our Creator is also a God of judgment, Jacob wrestling with the angel may be thought of as a judgment scene. Divine fullness (we also say, the Godhead; “the active presence;” the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit) appeared and was manifest to Jacob embodied and using the form of an angel. Later, divinity would appear among mankind using flesh and human form (we say, Incarnation) as Jesus Christ. The Savior displayed authentic humanity through birth, gradual growth, ministry, suffering, completing mortality on the cross, and demonstrating the resurrection from the dead that pertains to appearing in the tribunals of judgment. The struggle of Jacob that night, alone in his travels, also portrayed the life of Abraham as a nomad, the testing of Jesus Christ in the wilderness by Satan, and the struggle of Jesus in prayer at Gethsemane.

Like those who become born again through baptism and the operations of the Holy Spirit, Jacob was blessed, received an inheritance, then, had to undergo gradual change and growth before he could acknowledge that the GOD of Abraham and Isaac was also the GOD of Jacob. The following points use language from the Bible:

(1.) Genesis 25: 20-23, King James Version (KJV): 20 And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah to wife, the daughter of Bethuel the Syrian of Padanaram, the sister to Laban the Syrian. 21 And Isaac intreated the LORD for his wife, because she was barren: and the LORD was intreated of him, and Rebekah his wife conceived. 22 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD. 23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

(2.) Genesis 27: 38-45, KJV: 38 And Esau said unto his father, Hast thou but one blessing, my father? bless me, even me also, O my father. And Esau lifted up his voice, and wept. 39 And Isaac his father answered and said unto him, Behold, thy dwelling shall be the fatness of the earth, and of the dew of heaven from above; 40 And by thy sword shalt thou live, and shalt serve thy brother; and it shall come to pass when thou shalt have the dominion, that thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck. 41 And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said in his heart, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I slay my brother Jacob. 42 And these words of Esau her elder son were told to Rebekah: and she sent and called Jacob her younger son, and said unto him, Behold, thy brother Esau, as touching thee, doth comfort himself, purposing to kill thee. 43 Now therefore, my son, obey my voice; arise, flee thou to Laban my brother to Haran; 44 And tarry with him a few days, until thy brother’s fury turn away; 45 Until thy brother’s anger turn away from thee, and he forget that which thou hast done to him: then I will send, and fetch thee from thence: why should I be deprived also of you both in one day?

(3.) Romans 9: 10-18, KJV: 10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

(4.) Hebrews 10: 30-31, KJV: 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

There is far more that should be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended. (For example, (5.) Genesis 6: 3, KJV: 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.) Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.

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Today, reply is on divine judgment, why there are many false accusers, and the Scripture tools for understanding the end times.  The revelation of GOD to created beings and living creatures has been provided through patterns of events that display divine personhood and sacred process, and that make divinity visible as active presence.  The use of false accusers to glorify GOD pertains to a form of judgment (testing; trial) different from that of tribunal for condemnation and punishment.  When challenged in the same way as was Jesus himself, otherwise hidden, Christ-like character and spirit makeup will be exposed.  One of the fighters in the “Yahoo! Answers” Religion and Spirituality forum who uses the ID “Anonymous” (no profile data shared) posted the following:

 

Why are there so many disrespectful false accusers in these last days?

I’m excited to go home with my Father

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:  But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.  If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you:  on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.  But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men’s matters.  Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.  For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:  and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?  And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?  Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.  (1st Peter 4:  12-19, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Neither “All-knowing” Nor “Omniscient” (11/07/2017); The Peace to Endure? (03/28/2017); A Child Is Born (12/28/2016); How Is Flesh Evil? (10/28/2016); Why Is Lust Condemned? (07/20/2016); Hardness of Heart? (11/24/2013); Prayer on Behalf of Others? (11/25/2013); Teachings on Judgment (06/06/2013); Those Who Never Heard? (06/07/2013)

 

“Anonymous”, there is an ongoing process of GOD.  The holy writings do not allow mature Christian believers to completely and correctly explain all the eternal purposes of divinity, the imperatives generated by multiple streams of divine truth, or “why” GOD may have used specific events and methods to express the divine heart, prerogative, and sovereign will.  Much of the ungodly behavior that is manifest in the public arena, today, appears in response to such influences as ignorance; mechanical and natural laws; the operations of sin that dominate awareness and self-will in the living; and secular knowledge that empowers covetousness, exaggerated pride, selfishness, and presumption against divinity.  Rather than declarations of “why” from the divine fullness, there are many Scripture tools from GOD to comfort, prepare, and steady the church of Jesus Christ.  Included are admonitions, descriptions of conditions, doctrines, instructions, parables, prophecies, signs, and warnings.  Consider again the following that uses language from the Bible:

(1.)  Genesis 3:  14-16, King James Version (KJV):  14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:  15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.  16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

(2.)  Acts 2:  17-21, KJV:  17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh:  and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:  18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:  19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:  20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:  21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

(3.)  Romans 8:  5-9, KJV:  5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:  for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.  9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

(4.)  2nd Timothy 3:  1-5, KJV:  1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.  2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,  3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,  4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;  5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

There is far more that should be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (5.)  1st Corinthians 15:  22-28, KJV:  22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.  23 But every man in his own order:  Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.  24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.  25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.  26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.  27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.  28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

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Today, focus is on divine grace, revelation, and testing from GOD to produce spiritual growth.  The outcomes and products of divine testing should be certainty, continuity, and conviction within sacred relationships.  In addition to confession, petitions, and prayers that expose and share their hearts and minds to divinity, believers are to commune with GOD through obedience to divine law, through fellowship with those anointed to minister and serve as well as by spreading the Gospel through ones own lifestyle and daily routine.  Believers are to acknowledge affliction, challenges, obstacles, set backs, trials, and suffering as special opportunities to occupy their true place as one dependent upon GOD and a new creation through Jesus Christ.  The fighter at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “john” (Level 1 with 3 points, a January 08, 2015) posted the following:

 

Why does god test people in the bible?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.  For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.  And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee:  for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.  Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake:  for when I am weak, then am I strong.  (2nd Corinthians 12:  7-10, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  On Law and Sin (06/07/2017); Salvation Takes A Lifetime (04/06/2017); His Children Are Sanctified (10/12/2016); Is Sin a Matter of Temptation? (04/22/2015); The Testing of Job? (10/06/2014); Knowing the Spirit is Inside? (10/07/2014); Continuously Tested (12/31/2013); Chosen To Serve As Prophets (01/01/2014)

 

“john”, mature Christian believers acknowledge that the process of GOD through their life experience is grounded in one-time events and unchanging truth, yet, also is continual and gradual.  Revelation (divinity becoming knowable, known, and “visible” to created beings and living creatures) occurs primarily by their acquiring sacred knowledge, discovery, growth, and learning.  The elements we speak of as judgment, testing, and temptation are not intended to determine ones grade, how much they may know, or how well they can perform certain tasks.  More correctly understood, those coming into correct relationship with GOD are given opportunities to display their inner endowment of spirit content that has been deposited from the makeup of divinity.  Included should be faith, forbearance, forgiveness, gratitude, holiness, longsuffering, lovingkindness, wisdom, and wrath against sin.  In the language from Bible days, to “prove” or “test” is one of the final stages when creating and fashioning certain tools and weapons (like test driving an auto before purchase).  The tests ensure and reinforce the durability, fitness, and soundness of the device.  Consider again the following from Scripture:

(1.)  Exodus 16:  3-7, King James Version (KJV):  3 And the children of Israel said unto them, Would to God we had died by the hand of the LORD in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh pots, and when we did eat bread to the full; for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger.  4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.  5 And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.  6 And Moses and Aaron said unto all the children of Israel, At even, then ye shall know that the LORD hath brought you out from the land of Egypt:  7 And in the morning, then ye shall see the glory of the LORD; for that he heareth your murmurings against the LORD:  and what are we, that ye murmur against us?

(2.)  James 1:  12-15, KJV:  12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation:  for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.  13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God:  for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:  14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.  15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin:  and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

(3.)  1st Peter 4:  12-13, KJV:  12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:  13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Of course there is far more to be said, carefully considered, and fully embraced.  (For example (4.)  1st Peter 4:  17-19, KJV:  17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:  and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?  18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?  19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

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Today, prophecy (i.e., comfort, edification, exhortation) is shared for those who may feel they are losing as they fight the “good fight of faith.”  Christian believers all begin not having a full knowledge of the process of GOD.  Many once leaned upon expectations that come from child-like ideas, multiple common sense notions, and their “gut instincts” (e.g., that GOD has divine power; knows all, sees all; can control all your enemies; can not be hurt or killed; has supremacy; and has wealth).  Following baptism (death of ones inborn spirit; rebirth having divine DNA, so to speak), the “born again” disciples of Jesus must learn, grow, and mature.  Only by effort and hard work does one successfully apply their new values, answer to fellowship with experienced believers, continue sacred practices, and maintain study of the holy writings.  The believer must become firm as a member within a body and setting that supports their new development before they actually experience the most fulfilling relationship with Christ.  Consider the following from the Bible, and the presentation that appears below:  Hebrews 6:  10-11, King James Version (KJV):  10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.  11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:  Also, 1st Corinthians 15:  58, KJV:  58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.  James 1:  12, KJV:  12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation:  for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.  James 5:  11, KJV:  11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.  Prisca Kohtem who participates with me in THE BIBLE STUDY GROUP (a Public Group on Facebook presently having 21,453 members), invited response by sharing a personal appeal that included the following on December 3, 2015 at 4:  33 pm:

 

please brethren i need your assistance, i do help people in difficult moments giving moral and spiritual supports even with scriptures. but when i found myself in similar siruations, hardly will i applied those advices i gave to others. please this is really eating me up. God bless you as you help me out of this. thank you all!

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.  When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.  But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;  Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.  He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.  But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.  (Matthew 13:  18-23, KJV)

 

DOUBLE DAGGER:  Continuously Tested (12/31/2013); Chosen To Serve As Prophets  (01/01/2014); Of Sure Hope and Certainty (09/05/2013); Prophetic Demonstrations (09/06/2013); Struggling? (05/11/2013); Through Much Tribulation (05/12/2013)

 

Prisca Kohtem, be encouraged!  Most of us become disappointed, frustrated, and upset by the process of GOD.  Your predicament of enduring as a believer is spoken of in The Book of Job.  The process of GOD for us is one of growth, longsuffering, patience, and waiting.  Where we desire physical action and material gifts, we often are granted counsel, instruction, or truth, instead.  Believers are being permanently changed through gradual operations by the Spirit.  The only way to get patience is to wait for it; the only way to gain trust is to give it.  Saying this another way:  Those born again must mature again.  Consider again the following:

(1.)  2nd Corinthians 4:  6-11, King James Version (KJV):  6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.  7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.  8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;  9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;  10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.  11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus’ sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

(2.)  Job 3:  23-26, KJV:  23 Why is light given to a man whose way is hid, and whom God hath hedged in?  24 For my sighing cometh before I eat, and my roarings are poured out like the waters.  25 For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me.  26 I was not in safety, neither had I rest, neither was I quiet; yet trouble came. 

(3.)  Job 4:  3-8, KJV:  3 Behold, thou hast instructed many, and thou hast strengthened the weak hands.  4 Thy words have upholden him that was falling, and thou hast strengthened the feeble knees.  5 But now it is come upon thee, and thou faintest; it toucheth thee, and thou art troubled.  6 Is not this thy fear, thy confidence, thy hope, and the uprightness of thy ways?  7 Remember, I pray thee, who ever perished, being innocent? or where were the righteous cut off?  8 Even as I have seen, they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same. 

The solution granted to Job is found in (4.)  Job 42:  10-13, KJV:  10 And the LORD turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends:  also the LORD gave Job twice as much as he had before.  11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him:  every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.  12 So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses.  13 He had also seven sons and three daughters.          

There are many other verses that should be carefully considered, correctly understood, and spiritually received as a divine word of comfort from the Father.  (For example, (5.)  1st Peter 5:  8-11, KJV:  8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:  9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.  10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.  11 To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

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Today, points are shared on the meaning of “temptation” and the origin of sin.  The single word, temptation, is used to describe (1) testing that establishes endurance and permanence as well as (2) pressure to commit sin that comes against ones character, discipline, personality and righteousness.  Thus, the workings of admonition, challenge, and exhortation are in line with divinity, revelation, and salvation (temptation 1), while covetousness, envy, and lust are associated with the devil, sin and spiritual confusion (temptation 2).  The writer at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “Ryan” (Level 1 with 23 points, a member since May 20, 2013) posted the following:

 

Where does the temptation to sin come from?

Satan was the first one who tempted Adam and Eve to sin. Also, Satan tempted Jesus for 40 days. Furthermore, Satan is called the tempter in the Bible. Does this mean all temptation to sin comes from Satan? Or, does it come from ourselves because we’ve fallen ever since the original sin?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Blessed is the man that endureth temptation:  for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.  Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God:  for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:  But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.  Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin:  and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.  Do not err, my beloved brethren.  Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.  (James 1:  12-17, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Power Against Sin? (04/12/2015); The Testing of Job? (10/06/2014); Knowing the Spirit is Inside? (10/07/2014); Continuously Tested (12/31/2013); Chosen To Serve As Prophets (01/01/2014); On Testing GOD (06/20/2013); GOD Grants License? (06/21/2013)

 

“Ryan”, some of the clearest, most useful points shared among Christian believers include the following:

(1.)  Sin is not a living organism, and has not been created by divinity.  Sin does not contain spirit matter that resides in the person of Deity as do created beings and living creatures upon the earth, and within the celestial presence (we say, heaven).  While sin is no material or tangible thing having measurable dimensions such as height, shape, length or weight, sin has direction, effect, and presence.

(2.)  Sin appears to be an artifact or by-product of created organisms being separated from divinity to exist as independent life forms.  Sin may dominate awareness and self-will within the living; however, the will of GOD does not become subject to sin.  Both for carnal beings (we say, mortals, those in flesh) and spirit beings (those neither mortal nor immortal such as angels and the sacred beasts of heaven) sin is a foreign influence experienced as a natural and normal expression of life essence (we say, spirit). 

(3.)  Sin opposes the continued existence of divine law, the Law Giver, and all order generated or maintained through sacred law.  Sin does not operate as having benefit, consciousness, preference, or purpose.  Thus, sin appears as abstract, impersonal, mechanical, and self-destructive.  Because our language centers in describing human vulnerability and accountability, we speak of sin using terms that suggest sin has, or is power to draw, engage, entice, fascinate, and seduce. 

(4.)  Mechanisms within the living that respond to sin include appetite (e.g., hunger, thirst, sexual craving), sensation (e.g., hearing, seeing, tasting, touching) and emotional/mental functions (e.g., anger, desire, fear, imagination, recall).

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually understood.  (For example, (5.)  Perhaps sin is most clearly visible as attacks upon truth (we say, lies), arrogance, defiance of authority, false claims of power, rebellion, pride, usurpation, and violence.  Through baptism (death and burial of ones inborn spirit, and rebirth having divine DNA, so to speak), born-again believers can operate with a fresh endowment of spirit content from the makeup of GOD.  However, they must gradually grow and mature meeting the same life challenges upon the earth as all others.  Sin can not be correctly detected, eliminated, or resisted using only finite tools such as intellect, logic, mathematics, philosophy and science.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  May your prayers ever be answered according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

Today, points are shared on how believers are to be certain they have the imparted, indwelling Spirit from GOD.  Also, there is more on the testing of Job.  A writer at “Yahoo! Answers UK & Ireland” using the ID “Matthew” (Level 2 with 862 points, a member since June 20, 2013) posted the following:

 

Do we have to “feel” The Holy Spirit to have him abiding inside of believers in Christ?

When the Holy Ghost comes to live inside of each individual believer do we have to feel his presence to know for certain we have the Holy Ghost living inside us?

 

THE BATTLE AXE:  The Testing of Job? (10/05/2014)—(5.)  The accounts in Scripture that we speak of as the testing of Job and the temptation of Christ, in fact, are accounts where Satan is tested; and his character, function, and nature are revealed as finite.  Satan is challenged to acquire knowledge, however, the process of knowledge turns upon faith.  While the holy angels are spirit beings, they are diverse, and are not carnal, material and social beings in the manner of men upon the earth.  More than this, only GOD is immortal and incorruptible; and the angels must endure and serve through operations of faith.  In the two accounts of temptation and testing, the spirit and substance of GOD within mankind is to be devoted to deity, and no less in divine quality and value that that within the angels and sacred beasts of heaven.  The question, hast thou considered my servant Job?, is not the same as, have you discovered every flaw and weakness within mankind? have you attacked mankind to the uttermost?  Job was to be examined as a means of gaining correction, insight, sacred knowledge, and divine wisdom.  More than this, Job was to serve as an appearance of the mind of Christ.  The process and purpose of GOD are not shown to be condemnation, destruction, or rejection of the holy angels, Satan, Christ, Job or mankind. 

(6.)  The account of Eve being tested in the Garden of Eden by Satan disguised as a serpent also reveals the desire of Satan to possess the dominion of mankind over Adam’s “flesh of my flesh, bone of my bone” as well as dominion of the pair over the physical earth.  The separation of Job and his wife are not to be overlooked as an indication of the deceiver’s working.  Consider again Genesis 3:  1-19 and 6:  1-3, Job 1:  6-22, Job 2:  1-7, Zechariah 3:  1-10, Matthew 4:  1-11, Matthew 16:  13-24 and 2nd Thessalonians 2:  7-12, KJV.

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,  According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:  Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises:  that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.  And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;  And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;  And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.  For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.  But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.  Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure:  for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:  For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.  (2nd Peter 1:  2-11, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  About Deluding Yourself? (09/22/2014); Delusions and Revelation (09/23/2014); Why The Bible Makes Sense (09/19/2014); GOD and The Framework of Time (09/20/2014); Emotional Appeal? (04/02/2013); Life Given By Knowledge? (04/03/2013); How To Have Conviction (11/24/2012); A Text for Lives Today? (11/25/2012)

 

“Matthew”, here are a few points based upon the holy writings that many Christian believers have found helpful:

(1.)  Like thoughts, emotions, feelings and trust based upon carnal, material and social elements are temporal, and only endure for a brief time.  Often, changes and shifts in ones attention occur suddenly that may be subtle (i.e., barely visible; hidden), that may be extreme, and that completely break off focus and patterns that may have been ongoing for long periods.

(2.)  The presence of the Holy Spirit is to be known by faith that comes through hearing divine utterances (e.g., commandments, law, praises, principles, proclamations, promises, prophecy).  Saying this another way, by permanent changes made through operations from GOD.  Faith is an aspect of the full makeup of divinity along with such elements as forbearance, forgiveness, holiness, joy, longsuffering, love, righteousness, truth, wisdom, and wrath against sin.

(3.)  To receive the imparted, indwelling Spirit from GOD, believers must place themselves in postures that invite (some say, invoke) the active presence of GOD.  Such practices as baptism (death of ones inborn spirit, rebirth from divine DNA, so to speak), confession, sacrificial giving, prayer, and study of the holy writings convey spirit content, and generate organic exchange and interaction among the various inseparable aspects of ones own divine content.

There is far more to be said, correctly understood, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.)  Believers see the invisible, and know what is otherwise unknown by continually exercising discernment, using ones own divine spirit content to recognize and respond to the spirit content presented in such life challenges as events, messages, objects, other persons, prophecy, and Scripture.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

The account of Job, human suffering, and the further revelation of GOD are topics, today.  Also, there is more on the continued relevance of resurrection.  A fighter at “Yahoo! Answers UK & Ireland” using the ID “….” (Level 6 with 18,812 points, a member since December 28, 2007) posted the following:

 

If God hates to see people suffer, why did He allow satan make Job suffer in many ways?

Was Gods heart broken over Job seeing He Himself was the one who gave satan permission to harm Job with many afflictions

 

THE BATTLE AXE:  His Resurrection Still Relevant? (10/05/2014)—(5.)  The resurrection of Jesus was to be an inarguable sacred event (we say, miracle, sign) provided by GOD to prove that the doctrines, proclamations, and prophesies made by Jesus truly had come forth from GOD the Father.  The authority, duty, privilege and works demonstrated in Jesus were to be clearly understood as emblems of his identity as the Son of GOD.  See again Isaiah 55:  6-7, Matthew 11:  2-6 and 27-30, Acts 17:  29-31, 1st Corinthians 15:  12-26, Ephesians 1:  17-23, John 7:  16-18 and 1st Peter 1:  18-25, KJV.

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:  But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.  If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you:  on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.  But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men’s matters.  Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.  For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:  and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?  And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?  Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.  (1st Peter 4:  12-19, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Beyond Punishment (03/21/2014); A Guarantee of Heaven? (03/22/2014); 12/31/2013) Continuously Tested (12/31/2013); Chosen To Serve As Prophets (01/01/2014); (09/23/2013) Evil is not Sin? (09/22/2013); Moses Killed? (09/23/2013); The Power of Death? (01/01/2013); Divine Love Revealed? (01/02/2013)

 

“….”, here are a few points to consider that acknowledge the righteousness of GOD throughout the outworking of human existence:

(1.)  Job appears as an incarnation of GOD—that is, an embodiment of sacred substance—a foreshadowing of Christ, and a revelation of divine being and purpose.  In the account of Job, challenges to the purpose of GOD that mankind exist as an eternal companion to divinity are described, and the sacred process for making divinity known and visible to created beings and living creatures is further detailed.  The interaction of the Creator and creation is shown to involve the proclamation of sacred law, the establishment of access to the divine presence, the accomplishment of judgment (i.e., assigning value; the resolution of conflicts and settlement of disputes through law), the provision for direct divine intercession and mediation as well as changes in the established order that includes the priesthood for mankind originally granted to Adam.

(2.)  The account of Job may be seen as a report of necessary “growing pains” in a process of transformation to benefit mankind.  Job practiced a form of priesthood that centered upon taking initiatives within his relationship with GOD on behalf of his own family, his own property, and his own needs.  The “captivity” of Job was turned when Job began to minister in obedience by praying unselfishly for his friends.

(3.)  Job was used as a tool upon the earth to accomplish change through objective witness within the kingdom of heaven among the holy angels.  Sin was first realized to be present as an artifact of self-will among the angels that was later established upon the earth through the attack upon Adam by the serpent.  Sin opposes the continued existence of divine law, of the divine law giver, and of divine order throughout the universe dependent upon sacred law.

There is far more to be said, correctly understood, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.)  GOD is not embarrassed or overwhelmed by human suffering; for there has never been anything that men undergo as aspects of their usual life process that can not be undone through the many operations of GOD performed through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.  Godly suffering is to be understood as a divine tool for reshaping the spirit content within the living, rather than a mechanism for destruction, or a process to be used among the dead.  The outcome of suffering is to be intimate relationship with GOD that can be recognized (discerned) immediately.  Thus, after the time of Job we later see a resurrection of Christ having power to validate the suffering of all mankind as well as the incarnate ministry of Jesus.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC