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They Will Prophesy

 

Today, reply is on the correctness of spirit gifts, signs and ecstatic worship appearing during church gatherings. The church is shown to be authentic as “the household of faith” through sacred events (miracles), the presence of divine spirit and truth, and the sharing of sacred substance, rather than through programs for secular education, entertainment, family recreation, and social welfare programs. Rather than edify and nourish faith, there are expressions and practices in the church that can generate embarrassment, fear, distrust, division, quarrels, and uncertainty. These worship events may not be plainly condemned or rejected by the full congregation, therefore, such practices are best maintained at home and within ones private chambers for praise, prayer, and contemplation. Examples often are dancing in the Spirit, displays of ecstasy, trances, and the use of tongues without interpretation. It is written: Ephesians 2: 19-22, King James Version (KJV): 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow-citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. One of the fighters in the “Yahoo! Answers” public forum on Religion and Spirituality who uses the ID “Anonymous” (no profile information shared) posted the following:

 

Murmurings and whispers of “Jesus” during a church service?

I recently started attending a new church. I love every part about it, from how scriptural the message is, to how loving the people are.

I have noticed, however, during certain services, things become..different? Once a prophet came and prayed over several people, who broke down crying on the floor. Everyone started whispering and murmuring. People screamed, “thank you Lord!” and “Jesus! Jesus!”. It definitely caught me off guard, as I haven’t seen this in the churches I’ve attended throughout my life.

Would somebody be able to tell me why this happens, or what scriptural reasoning there is for this? I would really appreciate it! I’d like to learn so I can better understand why this takes place. Thank you!

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW: In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth. (1st Corinthians 14: 21-25, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER: Another Appearance of Divinity (06/25/2019); Where Be His Miracles? (05/07/2019); You Will Receive Power? (12/28/2018); Discovering The Holy Spirit (12/23/2018); Diversity and Prophetic Gifts (11/22/2016); The Forms of Prophecy? (04/26/2016); Prayer, Dreams and Messages? (01/27/2015)

 

Anonymous”, correctly understood, the church is a collection of spirits and a body that regularly gathers to acknowledge divinity who exists as spirit, is immortal, is incorruptible, and is invisible. The authority, dominion, and power of GOD appears through divine operations within the lives of created beings and living creatures who are committed, guided, and become transformed through discovery, gradual growth, fellowship, unselfish service, and suffering. Christian believers become set apart for sacred service (we say, are sanctified) by receiving fresh endowments of life essence (breath; spirit; word) imparted from the makeup of GOD. While living on the earth, and meeting the same life challenges and “growing pains” as others, developing Christian believers all are to receive inseparable aspects of divine fullness (we also say, the Godhead; the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit), and become mature/ripe for harvest by the Lord at his coming. Included are balance, faith, holiness, integrity, longsuffering, lovingkindness, personhood, wisdom, and wrath against sin.

The church is held to be authentic as an instrument and tool of GOD where immutable, unchanging truth is shared that includes divine law; where the multiple covenants established by GOD with mankind are acknowledged; where the sacred events (miracles) and the promises of GOD are continued; and where there are the appearance of spiritual gifts and sacred substance as an affirmation of commanded expectations (hope), the demonstration and fulfillment of prophecy, and the further revelation of divine prerogative (we also say, grace), eternal purpose, and the sovereign will of GOD.

GOD is not the author or origin of confusion; and the church must practice discipline and restraint. However, there are many systematic and permanent changes a man must undergo to become a life companion with divinity. For example, in water baptism, ones inborn spirit must die and be buried; only then can the believer become reborn through divine DNA (so to speak), and grow to display the fruit of the Spirit. Being a vessel filled with divine seed, the believer will exist as a son or daughter of GOD, a divine heir, and the new creation of Jesus Christ. Consider again the following that uses language from the Bible:

1. 1st Corinthians 12: 3-11, King James Version (KJV): 3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

2. 1st Corinthians 14: 26-33, KJV: 26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. 27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. 29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. 32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

There is far more that should be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended. (For example, 3. Romans 8: 5-9, KJV: 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.) Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.

 

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Anointing Oil of Spirit

 

Today, reply is on divine anointing, fire, judgment, and the Holy Spirit.  GOD has used both water and fire to demonstrate and make visible the destructive work of sin as well as an unseen aspect of his makeup that we speak of as divine wrath against sin.  The same Holy Spirit who operated in the creation of heaven and earth establishes enlightenment, rebirth, and the possibilities for sacred knowledge within mankind that come by discovery, gradual growth, learning and observing sacred practices (sacraments).  More than this, the Holy Spirit continues among created beings and living creatures as a divine anointing oil that makes offerings and sacrifices to GOD acceptable and fragrant.  The prophets who proclaim divine grace, the high priests who minister through inheritance, and the kings who rule in peace first are set apart and sanctified by becoming in-filled with spirit content from the makeup of GOD.  A writer in the “Yahoo! Answers” forum using the ID “?” (Level 1 with 90 points, a new member as of November 28, 2017) posted the following:

 

Why is a tounge of fire a symbol of the holy spirit?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!  It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron’s beard:  that went down to the skirts of his garments;  As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion:  for there the LORD commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.  (Psalm 133:  1-3, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  The Water, The Fire (10/10/2017); Holy Fire From GOD? (04/27/2017); Flammable? (05/25/2015); Consecrated in Christ? (06/21/2014); The Fire From GOD? (06/22/2014); Anointed? (04/28/2014); No More “Mr. Nice Guy”? (04/29/2014)

 

“?”, throughout the Bible, fire appears as a symbol indicating multiple actions and works accomplished by the fullness of divinity (we say, the Godhead; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit).  Included are authority in judgment, glory, majesty as a sovereign ruler, personness, power, and purity.  Through water baptism, sinners undergo permanent change beginning in the death, burial, and resurrection of their inborn spirit.  As “born again” believers they must “grow up again,” and become ripe (mature) for harvest when Christ returns (we say, Advent, his appearing, the Rapture, the Second Coming). 

Because they are “reborn” having divine DNA, so to speak, developing believers are accounted as the children of GOD, and joint heirs with Jesus Christ.  All believers are to display inseparable spirit content from divinity in their lifestyle and daily routine.  Included are gratitude, faith, forbearance, forgiveness, holiness, joy, longsuffering, lovingkindness, wisdom, and wrath against sin.  Believers only receive a “gift”, or partial measure of sacred substance from GOD, and not the whole person of the Holy Spirit (also called the Comforter, the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Prophecy, the Spirit of Truth).  GOD is a single Being who exists as three persons who display oneness without sameness; and it is this quality that is to exist within the body of Christ (the church). 

Most mature Christian believers receive instruction that the holy spirit is imparted to those chosen to serve in divine priesthood or as guides (shepherds, kings, rulers) over the people of GOD on the earth.  The dove, as a depiction of the Spirit is held to symbolize peace.  Thus, along with the cleansing of baptism by fire, the anointing that sanctifies (sets apart for exclusive service to GOD) and consecrates those who are ordained can be recognized by the tongues of fire.  Also, the divided (cloven) tongues signal that there are multiple gifts from the Holy Spirit.  Unlike the steady burning flame of a candle, the fire that appeared on the day of Pentecost is represented as flickering and lively; and the cloven tongue, therefore, is seen as the active love of GOD.

Consider the following that uses language from the Bible:

(1.)  Isaiah 4:  2-6, King James Version (KJV):  2 In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.  3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:  4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.  5 And the LORD will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night:  for upon all the glory shall be a defence.  6 And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the day time from the heat, and for a place of refuge, and for a covert from storm and from rain.

(2.)  2nd Corinthians 1:  20-22, KJV:  20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.  21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;  22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

(3.)  Acts 2:  1-4, KJV:  1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.  2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.  3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.  4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

There is far more to be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.)  Romans 8:  5-9, KJV:  5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:  for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.  9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

 

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Today, prophetic displays, signs, spiritual gifts, and the necessary works a Christian believer must carry out are in view.  Carnal reason and the usual standards for flesh must be put aside.  Otherwise, gifts become idols that are coveted, and salvation is thought earned or purchased by applying various gifts and by works.  Many of the differences among believers within the same congregation are the result of differences in their practice of praise, prayer, and what it is they pray for.  This includes ministry by the Holy Spirit, sacred knowledge through the holy writings, and what they receive as tools and spiritual gifts for the work they are assigned.  Where a believer has questions about another person’s gifts and how they use them, it is more correct to leave their own comfort zone, and speak to the other directly about their concerns and questions, then, spend quality time with them in order to learn and share experience, rather than repeatedly speak about them in their absence for complaining or witnessing against them.  Believers are to know that sin may dominate awareness and self-will in created beings and living creatures.  The operations of sin oppose the continued existence of divine law, the Creator, and all sacred order that supports Creation.  Under the influence of sin, the flesh (appetite, sensation, and emotion/mental functions) is directed toward consuming and exhausting its own environment and all it may contain (we say, self-destruction), directed to ignorance of divinity, to non-existence, and to rejection of sacred rest.  Until released from sin and established as a new creation through Jesus Christ, sinners can not correctly respond to lovingkindness, spiritual gifts, miracles, tongues, divine signs, and sacred works.  The fighter at “Yahoo! Answers (New Zealand)” using the ID “Shadow Spinner” (Level 3 with 1,084 points, a member since January 31, 2014) posted the following:

 

Whats the purpose of speaking in tongues in church in front of the congregation?

The bible says tongues have to be translated but I go to church and it’s never translated. I maybe understand personal prayer and worship but I don’t see the point when someone is preaching or singing and they just start speaking in tongues for everyone to hear. I don’t get how that is supposed to affect me, since I have no idea what they’re saying. I’m sort of turned off because I don’t know whether it’s fake or not and some seem to fit in that it looks just for show.

I remember I went to a special service about healing and during the ministry the preacher (she doesn’t have the gift of healing but just prayed to God to heal them) started speaking in tongues at the end and for some just prayed for them in tongues and that was it. Unless there was some a strong spiritual connection, would the person have felt anything? Thank goodness when she got to me, she spoke to me in English so I could understand her.

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:  Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.  Brethren, be not children in understanding:  howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.  In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.  Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:  but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.  (1st Corinthians 14:  18-22, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Spirit Content From GOD? (09/26/2016); The Bible and Salvation (09/14/2016); Simple and Mature Faith (09/05/2016); All Having One Consciousness? (06/13/2016); The Forms of Prophecy? (04/26/2016); The Point of Experiences in the Spirit? (07/07/2014); Too Much Holy Spirit? (11/19/2013); Understanding Peace? (11/20/2013)

 

“Shadow Spinner”, the body of Christ is to demonstrate and display oneness without sameness.  While seeking to become grounded in the sacred knowledge necessary to be mature as a Christian believer, many of us have felt challenged, a bit confused, and even disappointed by seeing others in the community of faith  manifesting a gift of tongues in ways that seem excessive, inappropriate, and unbiblical.  It is my faith that genuine sacred events (we say, miracles) and spiritual gifts provided by the Holy Spirit (we also say, the Comforter, the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Prophecy, the Spirit of Truth) to members within the full body of believers are governed by sacred law, and do not appear merely on the basis of desire, flesh, imagination, or intellect. 

To be at peace within the body where many individual members are learning and serving at different rates, in different roles, with different levels of maturity and skill, believers must practice such disciplines as (1) discernment” (using their own spirit content from the makeup of divinity as a standard to recognize and respond to the spirit content in other persons, practices, teachings, etc.); (2) forgiveness, (3) “knowing by faith” (i.e., in accordance with eternal purposes, sacred operations (e.g., baptism, confession, rebirth, renewal of ones mind, repentance, sanctification, thanksgiving), and revealed truth); (4) lovingkindness (acceptance, respect); and (5) meekness.

It is important that spiritual gifts appear within the body, however, it is not necessary that every member (or even every congregation) personally or privately have every gift.  Sinners must be changed, and “see with new eyes” (i.e., have new focus; operate with new meanings and values).  Thus, the work of believers is more to serve as witnesses and to trust the divine truth, than to go about performing miracles, engaging in arguments and quarrels, or making displays that may draw attention, yet, will not address the needs for assurance, sacred knowledge, and shared vision.  Like miracles, tongues may nourish the growth of individuals, yet, for assemblies often are the source of division, doubt, fear, skepticism, and uncertainty.  Consider again the following:

(1.)  Ephesians 4:  4-7, King James Version (KJV):  4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;  5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,  6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.  7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

(2.)  Ephesians 4:  11-15, KJV:  11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;  12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:  13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:  14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;  15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

(3.)  1st Corinthians 12:  4-14, KJV:  4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.  5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.  6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.  7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.  8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;  9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;  10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:  11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.  12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body:  so also is Christ.  13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.  14 For the body is not one member, but many.

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.)  John 6:  28-35, KJV:  28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?  29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.  30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?  31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.  32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.  33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.  34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.  35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life:  he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

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Today, accounts in Scripture of ascension and translation are considered along with subtleties that appear among sacred events.  The things recorded as Scripture are not intended for amusement and entertainment; and for correct understanding only the provision of GOD may be accounted as acceptable.  Spiritual confusion is the outcome of neither thinking like a man should think, nor thinking like a GOD supplies men to think.  Because they are to make divinity knowable, known, and visible, achieving a mature comprehension of the holy writings also requires the operation and active presence of inseparable spirit content from the makeup of the Creator.  Included as the imparted, indwelling Spirit from GOD are gentleness, faith, forbearance, holiness, joy, longsuffering, meekness, righteousness, wisdom, and wrath against sin.  The writer at “Yahoo! 7 Answers (Australia)” using the ID “P” (Level 6 with 21,570 points, a member since February 26, 2008) posted the following:

 

God took Enoch and Elijah to heaven without them dying?

yet Jesus said in John3;13 “no one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven – the son of man”
I feel confused about this. So where are Enoch and Elijah then? Anyone know?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.  For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.  But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)  Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)  But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart:  that is, the word of faith, which we preach;  That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.  For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.  (Romans 10:  4-10, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Different Form, Same Relationship? (11/20/2016); On Death and Pain (05/08/2014); A “Good” Verse? (05/09/2014); Resurrection from the Dead? (04/23/2014); Not A Matter Of Opinion? (04/24/2014); Prophetic Demonstrations (09/06/2013); Why GOD Prayed to GOD (09/07/2013); The Ascension of Christ? (12/19/2012); GOD in Schools? (12/20/2012)

 

“P”, acquiring sacred knowledge requires careful study of the holy writings guided by the Spirit of GOD, for the language and process of divinity involves multiple subtleties (i.e., barely visible differences; hidden shifts in meaning and value).  Most mature Christians will agree, the removal of Enoch and Elijah from the earth were by translation that occurred as acts of divine acknowledgment and salvation performed by the Spirit of GOD while Jesus Christ leaving the earth following his death, burial, and resurrection was an act of ascension and divine will.  Both events may be spoken of as prophetic demonstrations, actions performed by a prophet or spokesperson of GOD to convey sacred truth specifically intended to comfort, edify (build and increase spirit power within the church), and exhort (encourage and urge immediate action). 

The removal of the Patriarch and the Prophet compare to the removal of the Garden of Eden from the earth.  Men would assemble at the entry (we say, the gate) guarded by an angel having a flaming sword, and would inquire of GOD, petition for forgiveness, offer praise, and even make there the blood sacrifices for atonement and remission of sin that had been instituted by GOD.  The oral testimony of Adam was a “spiritual evidence” that encouraged grasp by faith, while the Garden, the angel, and he himself were “physical evidence” of GOD’s earlier appearing.  This form of worship was halted following the death of Abel and as the population of men increased.  (The death of the Patriarch Adam, who lived almost a thousand years was what we call a “natural death.”)

The ascension of Jesus compares to the second falling of the Holy Ghost following Pentecost that occurred within the home of a Gentile believer.  As the Apostle Peter was beginning a sermon in witness to the ministry of Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit (also called the Comforter, the Spirit of Prophecy, the Spirit of Truth) interrupted, and began to appear through a rushing wind, tongues of flame, and believers praising GOD using foreign and unknown languages (many say, the gift of tongues).

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, the distinctions among the devices and sacred events recorded in the Bible are provided so believers will be better able to recognize the operations of GOD, who is an eternal spirit that can be active and present within human lives.  Apart from GOD men are earthbound:  The vision granted the Patriarch Jacob as he slept on the ground with his head on a rock for a pillow included the ascent and descent of angels to higher and lower levels and ranks in series (we say a ladder) reaching from earth to heaven.  The Lord stood above it, and proclaimed a name that should be used to speak of him.  Later, an angelic ascension in flame is recorded when the birth of Samson was announced.  Such accounts serve as the context that give meaning to the ascension and return of Jesus Christ; and they seal the promise that at the Advent (we say, the Rapture, the Second Coming) the Lord will return to harvest from the earth those who are “ripe” that belong to him.  Those who died believing in Christ will be raised out of their graves and join the living believers to meet the Lord in the air.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

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The forms and process of prophecy, divine revelation, and the cross are in view, today.  The fighter at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “A-Theist” (Level 7 with 32,417 points, a member since August 01, 2012) posted the following:

 

Christians what’s the point of following prophecy for believers?

Didn’t the book of John clearly stipulate that prophecy is for non-believers?

Update:  @Queen: John 20:31.

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Thou also, son of man, take thee a tile, and lay it before thee, and pourtray upon it the city, even Jerusalem:  And lay siege against it, and build a fort against it, and cast a mount against it; set the camp also against it, and set battering rams against it round about.  Moreover take thou unto thee an iron pan, and set it for a wall of iron between thee and the city:  and set thy face against it, and it shall be besieged, and thou shalt lay siege against it. This shall be a sign to the house of Israel.  Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it:  according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity.  For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days:  so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.  And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days:  I have appointed thee each day for a year.  Therefore thou shalt set thy face toward the siege of Jerusalem, and thine arm shall be uncovered, and thou shalt prophesy against it.  (Ezekiel 4:  1-7, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Revelation and The Cross (03/27/2016); The Last Prophet? (09/27/2015); Manifest Only Unto Us? (05/01/2015); The Spirit of Truth? (02/11/2015); Why Prophets Were Sent to Israel (11/23/2014); The Need for Prophecy Then and Now (11/24/2014); Prophetic Demonstrations (09/06/2013); Why GOD Prayed to GOD (09/07/2013)

 

“A-Theist”, followers of Christ are to trust that, through operations of the Holy Spirit, blood, correction, and truth from the cross are flowing to here and now.  The death of Jesus Christ upon the cross is a “prophetic demonstration” (i.e., a sacred event performed by a spokesperson from GOD that indicates and portrays divine intent, eternal purpose, and continuing process from divinity).  Prophecy is an aspect of full revelation whereby GOD, who is completely spirit, is made knowable and known to created beings and living creatures.  Prophecy is provided from GOD throughout the holy writings, however, does not always appear in the form of audible utterances (we say, messages, proclamations, and verbal statements) from the Holy Spirit (also called, the Comforter, the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Prophecy, the Spirit of Truth).  Given presence of the Spirit is also made visible and manifest through sacred gifts that include healing, miracles, speaking in tongues, and interpreting tongues, there are counsels to the early church declaring the potential of prophecy to confuse and misdirect those not part of the congregation, who have not been prepared to receive spirit content, and who are strangers to the body.  Consider how this is stated using language from the Bible:

(1.)  Ezekiel 4:  9-15, King James Version (KJV):  9 Take thou also unto thee wheat, and barley, and beans, and lentiles, and millet, and fitches, and put them in one vessel, and make thee bread thereof, according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon thy side, three hundred and ninety days shalt thou eat thereof.  10 And thy meat which thou shalt eat shall be by weight, twenty shekels a day:  from time to time shalt thou eat it.  11 Thou shalt drink also water by measure, the sixth part of an hin:  from time to time shalt thou drink.  12 And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.  13 And the LORD said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them.  14 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! behold, my soul hath not been polluted:  for from my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dieth of itself, or is torn in pieces; neither came there abominable flesh into my mouth.  15 Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow’s dung for man’s dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith.

(2.)  1st Corinthians 14:  1-5, KJV:  1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.  2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God:  for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.  3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.  4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.  5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied:  for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

(3.)  Romans 8:  26-27, KJV:  26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities:  for we know not what we should pray for as we ought:  but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.  27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

(4.)  1st Corinthians 14:  22-24, KJV:  22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:  but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.  23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?  24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

There is far more to be said, understood, and spiritually taken in.  (For example, (5.)  Romans 8:  5-9, KJV:  5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:  for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.  9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

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Holy names, and how Christ spoke to the Father while upon the cross are in focus, today.  Correctly understood, the name of GOD is a set of divine accomplishments and sacred deeds whereby divinity is to be known and spoken of among created beings and living creatures.  There appears to be no single word or phrase used to address Deity within intimate and private relationship as a “personal name.”  The divine name or title used in the earliest revelations to mankind for covenant, and that is repeated throughout the holy writings (Genesis to Revelation) appears to have been El Shaddai, Almighty God.  However, GOD revealed himself to Abraham using a name that is now represented by Jehovah; and this same name was used in covenant with Moses and all Israel.  While Christ and the Father were briefly separated by the Son becoming the sin of mankind upon the cross, the Father did not abandon, betray, or deny the Son.  In the understanding that the name of the Father remains concealed, the name “Jesus” serves in the same way as “Jah” and “Jehovah”.  Consider again the following verses from Scripture and the presentation below:

Deuteronomy 29:  29, King James Version (KJV):  29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God:  but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Exodus 3:  13-15, KJV:  13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?  14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM:  and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.  15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you:  this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Exodus 6:  2-4, KJV:  2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:  3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.  4 And I have also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their pilgrimage, wherein they were strangers.

Psalms 91:  13-15, KJV:  13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder:  the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.  14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him:  I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.  15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him:  I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.

Galatians 3:  4-7, KJV:  4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,  5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.  6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.  7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

One of the fighters at “Yahoo! Answers” who share the ID “Anonymous” (no profile information shared) posted the following:

 

Why is there no record of Jesus ever saying or pronouncing his Father’s name yet Jehovah’s Witnesses use the name “Jehovah”?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.  For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it:  for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.  Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.  Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens:  when I call unto them, they stand up together.  All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The LORD hath loved him:  he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.  I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him:  I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.  Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I:  and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.  (Isaiah 48:  10-16, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Correct Awe and Respect (02/04/2016); We Call Him Jealous? (10/25/2015); Use Holy Names Not Titles? (08/17/2015); About Knowing the Name of GOD (09/21/2014); About Deluding Yourself? (09/22/2014); Anointed? (04/28/2014); No More “Mr. Nice Guy”? (04/29/2014); The Name(?) of GOD (04/09/2014); The “Miniature War”? (04/10/2014)

 

“Anonymous”, many mature Christian believers are trusting that, despite time and space, through operations of the Holy Spirit, blood and truth from the cross are flowing to here and now.  The holy writings acknowledged among the disciples and followers of Jesus Christ serve as a shared “database” of “sacred knowledge,” and, in keeping with divine purposes of revelation (i.e., making Deity knowable and known to created beings and living creatures), have not been provided in the form of codes that must be deciphered, and “unknown tongues.”  Only balance, discernment and maturity are required for full comprehension.  In keeping with the practices and traditions of his inheritance as a Jew, the Savior did not speak the personal name of GOD in public ministry even when crying out in prayer upon the cross.  While living and dying upon the cross at Calvary, Jesus continued to minister love, respect, and trust to his friends, to his mother, to the believer on the cross and those who would come to him in future ages as well as to the Father in heaven.  In private and silent prayer, Jesus may well have used a “personal name,” rather than the acronyms, titles and tags used to speak about divinity, not to divinity (such as “Hashem”, “G-d”).  Whether the living experience agony or ecstasy, when approaching the Most High, there should be the display of awe, humility, propriety, restraint, reverence, and self-discipline.  Consider again how this is stated through the language of the Bible:

(1.)  Mark 14:  32-36, King James Version (KJV):  32 And they came to a place which was named Gethsemane:  and he saith to his disciples, Sit ye here, while I shall pray.  33 And he taketh with him Peter and James and John, and began to be sore amazed, and to be very heavy;  34 And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death:  tarry ye here, and watch.  35 And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him.  36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me:  nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

(2.)  Romans 8:  14-16, KJV:  14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.  15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.  16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

(3.)  Romans 8:  24-27, KJV:  24 For we are saved by hope:  but hope that is seen is not hope:  for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?  25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.  26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities:  for we know not what we should pray for as we ought:  but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.  27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

There is far more to be said, understood, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.)  Mark 15:  32-37, KJV:  32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.  33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.  34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?  35 And some of them that stood by, when they heard it, said, Behold, he calleth Elias.  36 And one ran and filled a spunge full of vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink, saying, Let alone; let us see whether Elias will come to take him down.  37 And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

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Divine gifts, spiritual rebirth, and rewards through final judgment are discussed, today.  Many of us think of life as mortals upon the earth as a precious gift from GOD that we do not want to lose, or have taken away.  To serve as an High Priest for mankind within the Temple in heaven, it was necessary for Jesus to leave the earth, and receive greater divine gifts.  The many benefits to those embracing Jesus Christ as their savior include acquiring aspects of the character, nature, and eternal operations that appear from the full substance of divinity.  Included are atonement, fellowship, forgiveness, sacred knowledge, divine promises, and zeal.  Divine gifts may be spoken of as “blessings” and are distinct from human gifts in Scripture that describe offerings to idols, bribes, and the use of influence to decide outcomes in judgment.  The believer who is born again also must gradually mature, and reach those levels of balance, completeness, and stability that allow one to contribute to the ministry of Jesus Christ (we say, be fruitful) through their own service and works.  Consider again the Scriptures that follow, and the presentation below:

Psalms 68:  17-19, King James Version (KJV):  17 The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels:  the LORD is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.  18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive:  thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.  19 Blessed be the LORD, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah.

James 1:  17, KJV:  17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Luke 11:  13, KJV:  13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children:  how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Hebrews 8:  1-4, KJV:  1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum:  We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;  2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.  3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices:  wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.  4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

1st Corinthians 14:  1-3, KJV:  1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.  2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God:  for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.  3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

A writer at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “Fred XX00 I” (Level 7 with 51,627 points, a member since June 28, 2010) posted the following:

 

Ephesians 4:8 does the Lord our God give gifts as a reward: what do you think about this? thank you?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:  Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.  And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.  And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.  So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.  As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.  Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;  Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;  And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;  Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.  (Hebrews 5:  1-10, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Life Is In Blood (12/08/2015); Martyrdom and Tribulation? (09/30/2015); Jesus Given A Divine Ministry? (08/18/2015); Necessary to Want It? (05/15/2015); Harden Not Your Hearts? (09/08/2014); Beyond Punishment (03/21/2014); A Guarantee of Heaven? (03/22/2014)

 

Fred XX00 I”, many Christian believers agree, the “gifts” spoken of in the verse you cite (Ephesians 4:  8, King James Version (KJV):  8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.) are deposits of divine substance from the makeup of divinity, and spiritual endowments to mankind through the Holy Spirit (also called, the Comforter, the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Prophecy, the Spirit of Truth).  It is the imparted Spirit that operates in baptism accomplishing death of ones inborn spirit with rebirth having spirit content from the makeup of Deity.  Such inseparable aspects of GOD are received by the believer as faith, holiness, joy, longsuffering, wisdom, and wrath against sin.  The transformation of mankind to endure as an eternal companion is begun that will be completed at the coming of Jesus to harvest those from the earth who are “ripe” at his Second Coming (some say, the Rapture).

Gifts of the Spirit also have been imparted as “tools” to equip congregations for service as sanctified (set apart for exclusive use by GOD).  The principle is in place that where one member of the body displays a peculiar gift the whole body is accounted as having that gift.  Included among these provisions are special appearances of divinity that include discernment, divine order, healing, hierarchy, meekness, speaking in tongues, and prophecy.  In the language of the Bible, 1st Corinthians 12:  8-10 and 28, KJV are important:  8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;  9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;  10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:  Also, 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.”

The discussion of “rewards” usually is separate from that for “gifts”.  Rewards are established through judgment on the basis of ones own participation, and direct service with the Holy Spirit to Christ, to his church, and to the Father.  Satan and all the wicked will have been cast into the Lake of Fire.   In the same way, only those who will be given place within the New Jerusalem will be present when allotments within the holy city are determined, only those who are immortal and incorruptible will be present in the distribution of rewards.  In the language of Scripture:  1st Corinthians 3:  11-13, KJV:  11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.  12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;  13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest:  for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.  14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.  15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss:  but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

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