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Today, reply is on the biblical origin of accounts describing Satan the ruler over “hell” as the place where divine torment is administered following final judgment. Not having the fresh endowment of spirit content that comes from the makeup of GOD, many outside of the church become entangled by error because, to them, their own inescapable emotions, feelings, imagination, and private thoughts are more authentic, real, and indisputable than anything that might come from another person. For Christians, the goal of the soul is to become Christ-like; and developing believers must become set apart and sanctified through their lifestyle and living routines in order to avoid the defilement and spiritual confusion that are widespread through fascination by such attractions as philosophy and skepticism; politics; science and secular knowledge; social activism; superstition; and the occult. Thus, even those among the body can be unaware that, written in the Book of Revelation, Satan will undergo what is called the second death (i.e., he is cast into the Lake of Fire) before the second resurrection, when the wicked will be privileged to appear before Jesus Christ in the White Throne judgment. A fighter in the “Yahoo! Answers” public forum on Religion and Spirituality who uses the ID “Communism Kills” (Level 1 with 2 points, a member since September 25, 2017) posted the following:

 

Where did the belief that “The devil rules hell and his demons torture the souls that go there for eternity” come from exactly?

The Bible literally doesn’t even say that.

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW: And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter. (Revelation 9: 10-12, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER: The Solutions From GOD (04/03/2019); Incurring “The Second Death” (04/02/2018); The Place of Torment? (08/21/2017); Hell and The Cross? (04/10/2016); Flammable? (05/25/2015); The Harrowing of Hell? (02/10/2015); The Adversary? (12/05/2012); “Soul” Food? (12/06/2012)

 

Communism Kills”, mature Christian faith continues to affirm the truth that the life essence (we also say, breath; spirit; word) from the makeup of GOD, and the holy writings that speak to the Creation, Judgment, Redemption, and Salvation of mankind are not a source for the many errors describing divinity that are shared among created beings and living creatures. Sinners who choose to become developing Christian believers, and those who seek to mix and match sacred knowledge with earthly customs, folklore, and traditions along with worldly and secular knowledge are often influenced by images and reports from epic literature (e.g., Dante’ Inferno, the poem Paradise Lost by Milton, the performance opera and theater play, Faust), and visual arts (e.g., paintings; motion pictures such as The Omen; television productions such as Supernatural). The creative arts apply principles of fantasy and imagination in order to amuse and entertain that include a “willing suspension of disbelief” that supports altering the Scriptures, contradiction of “common sense,” discrete/out of context episodes, fictions, outright lies, and the temporary acceptance of otherwise false and incredible (unbelievable) claims. By contrast, Christian belief is a sophisticated system of interrelated accounts from human experiences of divinity appearing within the awareness and self-will of the living recorded as thousands of events, over the course of thousands of years. Believers apprehend genuine biblical truth through such features as the practice of discernment (using ones own spirit content from the makeup of GOD to recognize and respond to the godly Spirit substance within events, other persons, etc.), discovery, gradual growth, unselfish service, and suffering. The elements that men point to when they seek to dismiss their accountability to GOD, and justify error (I’m right when I am wrong, because…) often includes the following that uses language from the Bible:

1. Matthew 4: 1-10, King James Version (KJV): 1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

2. Revelation 12: 7-10, KJV: 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

There is far more that should be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended. (For example, 3. John 8: 42-45, KJV: 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.) Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.

 

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Today, continuing to acknowledge the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, replies are on mankind completing mortality, attending divine tribunals for final judgment, and incurring the second death.  A fighter in the “Yahoo! Answers” forum using the ID “Pierce” (Level 5 with 8,561 points, a member since June 16, 2013) posted the following:

 

When people say “Hell is a disconnecting from God for eternity.” Isn’t that basically saying a person will be dead forever?

If it’s not eternal torture and it’s some “eternal loss of wifi” aren’t you dead forever or are you alive and continuing to be without God, as some already like to live??

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat:  I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink:  I was a stranger, and ye took me in:  Naked, and ye clothed me:  I was sick, and ye visited me:  I was in prison, and ye came unto me.  Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?  When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?  Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?  And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.  Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:  For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat:  I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:  I was a stranger, and ye took me not in:  naked, and ye clothed me not:  sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.  Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?  Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.  And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:  but the righteous into life eternal.  (Matthew 25:  35-46, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Our Fitness To Continue? (12/24/2017); Making and Keeping Justice? (05/25/2017); Temporal and Eternal Judgment (02/15/2017); Reflections on Existence (12/19/2016); Hell and The Cross? (04/10/2016); Damnation And The Cross? (03/06/2016); The Focus of Judgment (12/09/2012); His Burden is Light? (12/10/2012)

 

“Pierce”, the revelation of divinity (we say, divine fullness; the GODhead; the Trinity; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit) that appears throughout the holy writings describe multiple possibilities for created beings and living creatures to experience close personal relationships with GOD, who is spirit in character, presence, process, and substance.  In addition to covenant, family, priesthood, promise, and unselfish service the living may come to know GOD through righteous judgment, Incarnation, rebirth, and repentance.  Sinners who are “born again” are to receive a fresh endowment of inseparable spirit content from the makeup of GOD that includes faith, gratitude, holiness, longsuffering, lovingkindness, respect, wisdom, and wrath against sin.

Mortality has not been imposed on mankind as a punishment or an act of divine anger so much as a necessary device to endorse the sanctions of divine law; display otherwise invisible features of the divine heart and mind (e.g., empathy, forgiveness, mercy, reconciliation, righteousness); and provide continuity for existence despite interruptions of life (e.g., delay, rest, sleep (we say, death) first used when the female was created out of the male).  In a similar way, independence, self-will in the living, and seeming separation from GOD is no suspension of sacred authority, eternal purpose, and sovereign will.  The living complete their mortality as a product of carnal and material conditions, mechanical operations and natural laws such as aging, appetite, and gradual growth.

The Bible speaks of divine resolution for conflicts regarding the operations of sin in terms of judgment where divine law serves as the standard for establishing accord.  Resurrection of the dead is the divine device used to permit the dead to appear before GOD alive in holy tribunals.  Following a final judgment that has begun and will examine all mankind, for those not having the image of GOD there will be the annihilation, elimination, and the total removal of their duration, life essence (breath; spirit; word), personhood, and sacred possibility.  This is understood by many mature Christian believers as the second death.  Consider the following that uses language from the Bible:

(1.)  Revelation 2:  10-11, King James Version (KJV):  10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer:  behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days:  be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.  11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

(2.)  Revelation 20:  1-6, KJV:  1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.  2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,  3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled:  and after that he must be loosed a little season.  4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:  and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.  5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.  6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:  on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

(3.)  Revelation 20:  11-15, KJV:  11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.  12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened:  and another book was opened, which is the book of life:  and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.  13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them:  and they were judged every man according to their works.  14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.  15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

There is far more to be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.) Revelation 21:  7-8, KJV:  7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.  8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:  which is the second death.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

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Today, a reply is shared on Christ having gone to the place of torment after dying on the cross.  Relying upon the tools important for life in the flesh, even Christian believers may not completely and correctly apprehend the state of the dead, and the many divine operations that occur focused on and that thereby involve the dead.  The intellect and the mind must employ the frameworks of time and space.  However, this may introduce flawed concepts and notions of “a material place” that has boundaries, partitions, and walls to contain disembodied spirit matter once deposited within the created from the makeup of divinity to their  existence and life.  Where we argue an “abyss”, a “bottomless pit,” “limbo” or “purgatory” we often appeal to extra-biblical sources that may further introduce inconsistency and what appear as departures from the Gospel.  It is not an error to focus upon a “more sure word of prophecy,” rather than upon extrapolations from doctrine, orthodoxy, or tradition.  By focusing on the higher issues of Advent and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, many of the questions concerning punishment, salvation, hell, and the dead are superseded, and put to rest.  One of the fighters at “Yahoo! Answers” who uses the ID “Anonymous” (no profile information appears) posted the following:

 

Why did Jesus go to Hell when he died? Did he do something bad?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.  And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,  And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled:  and after that he must be loosed a little season.  And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:  and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:  on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.  And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,  And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle:  the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.  And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city:  and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.  And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.  (Revelation 20:  1-10, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Forgiveness, Grace and Merit (06/22/2017); Hell and The Cross? (04/10/2016); Is Hitler Now in Hell? (07/02/2015); The Harrowing of Hell? (02/10/2015); How To Accept Bible Truth? (04/17/2013); About Preaching the Gospel (04/18/2013); Understanding Hell (01/09/2013); The Golden Age? (01/10/2013)

 

“Anonymous”, some of the most difficult teaching from the holy writings are those points that speak to the death of Jesus on the cross, and what the Savior then accomplished that is often called “the harrowing of hell.”  The divine process for imparting sacred knowledge, here, is one that employs contemplation, discernment, discovery, and growth.  Even so, believers are not to rely upon the finite tools of intellect, secular knowledge, logic, and carnal reason.  Here are some points to help developing Christian believers avoid spiritual confusion:

(1.)  Revelation of divinity to created beings and living creatures began with their creation, and has continued ever since.

(2.)  The Incarnation (i.e., divinity appearing on the earth using the form of a man) required that Jesus respond to multiple streams of authority and law.  As well as parental, civil, and other social standards, the Son of GOD had to respond to the natural law and operations for life upon the earth that included completing mortality; the laws for covenant relationship with divinity; the demands of promise and prophecy; and the unseen, yet, active divine laws of eternal existence.

(3.)  Hell as the grave and a repository for the dead is distinct from hell as the place of torment.  We accept that Jesus was buried, and went to the grave.  However, the Savior did not undergo the usual corruption, decay and rot of death.  Representations of this appear throughout the Bible that may only be correctly recognized and responded to by using ones own spirit content from the makeup of GOD to discern the spirit that is present within such features as events, other persons, prophecy, and the holy writings.  An example is seen in the separation by a pillar of fire (judgment) during the night between Moses and the pursuing army of Pharaoh.  Another is in the parable of the rich man in torment, and the beggar in the bosom of Abraham.

(4.)  Where the place of torment is spoken of as a realm or region where the dead have awareness and self-will for eternity, believers are to be very cautious.  Again, the serpent’s lie to Eve comes into view:  Ye shall not surely die.  Acknowledgement and embrace of the serpent’s truth also requires embracing the Lake of Fire, and the annihilation of the wicked in the second death.  Because all will be judged according to the record of their own deeds out of the book of life, final judgment will have no accuser.  Satan is cast into the Lake of Fire before the resurrection and final tribunal of the wicked.

(5.)  The understanding that Jesus Christ appeared to Adam and the other Patriarch’s, those from the time of the Judges, and those from the times of Covenant through Moses is understood in two ways:  First, that Jesus appeared using angelic and other material forms to be knowable, known, and capable of affiliation and exchange with mankind (Before Abraham was I AM.).  Secondly, Jesus visited the place of rest and safekeeping for those who died in hope of eventual restoration to GOD and salvation.  Here, the separation of spirit from flesh at death is accounted as a parting of the divine and eternal substance imparted to the living from the person of GOD away from the carnal, instable elements from the earth that were established by the Holy Spirit (from dust thou art, unto dust thou shalt return).

There is far more to be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (6.)  Believers are to be judicious, and to carefully consider the agreement and consistency among their own beliefs.  What sinners and developing believers have been given as the Gospel of Jesus Christ is sufficiently challenging that mature believers tend to forgo questionable studies on death and hell.  As with considering exorcism and encounters with Satan such as that experienced by Jesus following his baptism, many become “puffed up,” from exaggerated pride, others become “swallowed up” by conjecture, speculation, errors regarding the occult, and superstition.  Avoiding commitment to whatever generates ungodly conflict and division, the sacred doctrines and practices acknowledged and shared within ones congregation are usually a safe path that has been approved by GOD.)   Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

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Today, additional points are shared on communicating with the dead and those now thought to be in heaven.  It is correct to be cautious in opening ourselves to others while we are in bereavement, for there are many who do not share our faith and our private understandings.  In addition to those who will impose opinions that arise from their own lack of sacred knowledge, often there are also those who are intrusive, overbearing, and presumptuous.  The mourner must be vigilant, for even those who seem to be harmless and well-meaning may corrupt and disrespect carefully-selected things that truly are necessary in our ongoing growth and recovery.  Having said this, the mourner must have the boldness to fashion their own new life, and should not shrink from learning and sharing again.

 

THE BATTLE AXE:  The Comfort Through Christ? (01/13/2017)—The hope of the living must be in GOD.  Desire for communication and exchange with the dead arises from aspects of carnal reasoning along with existence being understood as a condition that is only material, physical, and social.  For those in bereavement, features such as appetite (e.g., hunger, thirst, sexual cravings), sensation (e.g., hearing, seeing, tasting, touching), and emotion/mental functions (e.g., anger, fear, imagination, recall) become objects for focus and response, rather than interaction and life experience as directed through divine spirit content.  It is correct to say there are specific divine laws and rules that govern both the living and the dead, and the Bible is our most trusted source for that kind of information.  Mechanical, recurring, and routine aspects of living are described as being experienced and shared by all.  Because concentration upon the occult and the supernatural usually result in spiritual confusion, mature believers often discourage faith within the living that relies too heavily upon apparitions, dreams, signs, or visitations from the dead.  Contact with those who died and are now alive again through resurrection (e.g., Jesus, his mother Mary, and certain of the saints) through sacred events (we say, miracles) and through the Holy Spirit must be carefully examined using earlier Scripture accounts as legitimate sacred standards.  Thus, while the parable shared by the Savior using Lazarus, a beggar, and Dives, a rich man, is not intended as a revelation that describes heaven such as later appears through prophecy, the account makes many points concerning the divine law and restrictions that set heaven apart as sanctified.  All who appear in the divine presence are alive, yet, not in the same form and manner as that required to be upon the earth.  Consider the Scriptures below.

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:  for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.  For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.  So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.  O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?  The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.  But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.  (1st Corinthians 15:  51-57, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  The Purpose of Resurrection (07/05/2016); The Dimensions of Death? (04/24/2016); The Return to Dust? (06/14/2015); Death is a Divine Tool (09/15/2014); A Sleep and a Second Death (09/16/2014); Resurrection from the Dead? (04/23/2014); Not A Matter Of Opinion (04/24/2014)
 

Comfort to the believers in Christ includes the following:

(1.)  Matthew 5:  4, King James Version (KJV):  4 Blessed are they that mourn:  for they shall be comforted.

(2.)  Psalms 146:  3-5, KJV:  3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.  4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.  5 Happy is he that hath the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in the LORD his God:

(3.)  Isaiah 8:  19-20, KJV:  19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter:  should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?  20 To the law and to the testimony:  if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

(4.)  Matthew 22:  31-33, KJV:  31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,  32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.  33 And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine.

(5.)  Ecclesiastes 9:  1-6, KJV:  1 For all this I considered in my heart even to declare all this, that the righteous, and the wise, and their works, are in the hand of God:  no man knoweth either love or hatred by all that is before them.  2 All things come alike to all:  there is one event to the righteous, and to the wicked; to the good and to the clean, and to the unclean; to him that sacrificeth, and to him that sacrificeth not:  as is the good, so is the sinner; and he that sweareth, as he that feareth an oath.  3 This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all:  yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead.  4 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope:  for a living dog is better than a dead lion.  5 For the living know that they shall die:  but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.  6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

(6.)  1st Corinthians 15:  12-22, KJV:  12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?  13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:  14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.  15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ:  whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.  16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:  17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.  18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.  19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.  20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.  21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.  22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (7.)  Luke 16:  19-31, KJV:  19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:  20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,  21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table:  moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.  22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom:  the rich man also died, and was buried;  23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.  24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.  25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things:  but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.  26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed:  so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.  27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:  28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.  29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.  30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham:  but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.  31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

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Annihilation, divine love, judgment, and the cross are topics, today.  The immensity of divine righteousness is revealed by GOD’s use of the Lake of Fire to effect the second death.  There is no contradiction, or annulment of divine love.  The same balance, impartiality, mercy and thoroughness present throughout investigative judgment appears in sentencing, and carrying out necessary sanctions against sin.  The first resurrection that comes into view for those that are received by the Savior as the harvest from his plantings upon the earth also appears for the accomplishment of tribunal, where those alleged to be “the wicked” and “the accused” are privileged to appear, and answer the record of their deeds written within the Books of Life.  Neither Christ nor Satan appear as an accuser.  The consequence (not punishment) that we call “hell”, in fact, is the final undoing of flesh and spirit matter that no longer responds to admonition, calling, eternal purpose, and divine will.  The use of sacred fire suggests torment and torture, however, the agony to the wicked is only in proportion to their own cruelty and violence.  Consider again the following Scriptures, and the presentation below:

James 2:  12-13, King James Version (KJV):  12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.  13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

Leviticus 26:  15-19, KJV:  15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:  16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart:  and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.  17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies:  they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.  18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.  19 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:

Psalms 1:  1-6, KJV:  1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.  2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.  3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.  4 The ungodly are not so:  but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.  5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.  6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous:  but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

2nd Samuel 22:  26-29, KJV:  26 With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful, and with the upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright.  27 With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself unsavoury.  28 And the afflicted people thou wilt save:  but thine eyes are upon the haughty, that thou mayest bring them down.  29 For thou art my lamp, O LORD:  and the LORD will lighten my darkness.

Again, one of the fighters at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “Anonymous” (no required profile information shared) posted the following:

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:  on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.  And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,  And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle:  the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.  And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city:  and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.  And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.  And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.  And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life:  and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.  And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them:  and they were judged every man according to their works.  And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.  (Revelation 20:  6-15, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Love From The Cross? (04/08/2016); Punishment To Show Love? (11/29/2015); Flammable? (05/25/2015); No Sorrow in Heaven? (11/11/2014); Will Truth Destroy Joy? (11/10/2014)

 

“Anonymous”, the full revelation of GOD to mankind requires both hell and the cross.  For mature Christian believers, GOD who appeared in flesh to die on the cross for mankind is also the Creator of divine law, and sacred judgment whereby his Creation is cleansed, healed, purified, reconciled to Deity, and established as eternal.  In the same way the atoning, sacrificial death of the Son expresses the fullness of commitment and union with Creation, the final, irreversible destruction of all that blocks, opposes, and threatens to end the universe also is the expression of profound and measureless love.  Hell—more correctly understood as the second death and annihilation within the Lake of Fire—is a further blessing (we also say, gift) from divinity to created beings and living creatures who, being born again and released from their own sin would have no freedom from the sin of others without the provisions of GOD for eternal life, justice, sanctification, and separation.  Consider how this is stated using language from the Bible:

(1.)  Nahum 1:  2-3, King James Version (KJV):  2 God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.  3 The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked:  the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.

(2.)  Nahum 1:  7-10, KJV:  7 The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.  8 But with an overrunning flood he will make an utter end of the place thereof, and darkness shall pursue his enemies.  9 What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end:  affliction shall not rise up the second time.  10 For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry.

(3.)  Revelation 21:  7-8, KJV:  7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.  8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:  which is the second death.

There is far more to be said, understood, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.)  Hebrews 12:  28-29, KJV:  28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:  29 For our God is a consuming fire.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

New Disclaimer

 

Some points are shared, today, on the place and state of the dead, and the full work of divinity for salvation.  The doctrine that Jesus descended into hell in the time following his crucifixion and before his resurrection is based upon selected passages from the holy writings that can be easily misread.  (See for example, 1st Peter 3:  18-20 and 1st Peter 4:  6, King James Version.)  The point of such teaching is not to condemn Christ; rather, it is to describe the spiritual operations completed through his work as One Sent.  With the Scriptures, there are many considerations that also should come into view.  Apart from the Holy Spirit, no man may call Jesus “Lord”; and having the Spirit, none may call Jesus “accursed” (1st Corinthians 12:  3, KJV).  There are no specific tests for discerning and recognizing the harrowing of hell as an authentic doctrine from the Father.  Yet, as with all the truths that make up the Gospel, certainty and conviction can appear among those who are born again only as the product of their action, obedience, and service to fulfill the Father’s will.  The fighter at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “Ruth” (Level 7 with 92,369 points, a member since December 04, 2010) posted the following:

 

How could Christ descend into hell, that to me is blasphemy, anyone else feel this way?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.  If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.  He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory:  but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.  (John 7:  16-18, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Not Told in Advance? (10/11/2014); Catholics, Protestants and the Trinity? (10/12/2014); Only While We Live? (12/02/2013); Reveal Himself To All? (12/03/2013); The Dead in Christ? (11/18/2013); Too Much Holy Spirit? (11/19/2013); Understanding Hell (01/09/2013); The Golden Age? (01/10/2013); After the Rapture? (11/01/2012); Opportunity to Repent (11/02/2012)

 

“Ruth”, here are a few points that have helped Christian believers overcome spiritual confusion:

(1.)  There are many teachings that derive from the true principles of the Gospel that may only be received by faith and through operations of the Holy Spirit.  That Christ died upon the cross, was buried, and was raised from the dead is only one facet of the many divine operations to accomplish our full salvation.  Believers must also hold that the blood of Jesus is applied for atonement; that believers die and are raised with Christ through baptism (death of ones inborn spirit; rebirth from a divine endowment of Spirit); and that believers must accomplish a life of sanctification.  More than this, Jesus is to be understood as coming under the full judgment against sin on behalf of those belonging to his kingdom; and this is accounted necessary to his complete work as our substitute, the Lamb of GOD that takes away the sin of the world.

(2.)  Ideas describing hell as a place where the dead may communicate and interact with one another are not in accordance with the teachings of Scripture.  The holy writings plainly state, the dead have no awareness, do not praise GOD, and may not serve divinity as angelic messengers.  With this in view, Christ could not be active while in the grave.

(3.)  The doctrine that Christ descended into the earth, instructed those who had lived upon the earth before his coming in the flesh as Jesus of Nazareth, supernaturally gathered and harvested those among the dead who had demonstrated faith, and returned to heaven accompanied by spirits is not accounted as farfetched.  Where the Scriptures speak of elders and souls in heaven, many are confident that these were gathered when GOD appeared incarnate to mankind.  Others are convinced these only received the Son of GOD—while they lived upon the earth—in the form of proclamations, promises and prophecies that had power to establish their unity with Christ through faith.  Every believer must hold to the form of doctrine they themselves have received that establishes their own clear understanding without also contending against the conviction of others on such points as these, that can only have their resolution when the Savior returns to us.

There is far more to be said, correctly understood, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.)  GOD is a GOD of the living; and it is not impossible for GOD to maintain those having the form of flesh within the heavens (not the grave, not the place of torment) as living persons.  Thus, Moses and Elijah could appear to Jesus at the time of his transfiguration.  Jesus is alive today, in the form of flesh, and continues to serve in the Temple of heaven as the High Priest, and is continuing the preparations for his second coming as well as for the completion of final judgment.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to the measure of your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

The apocalypse, endtime prophecies concerning the fifth trumpet, and final judgment against sin are topics, today.  A writer at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “Trunks” (Level 1 with 17 points, a member since June 15, 2012) posted the following:

 

Questions about the fifth trumpet in the apocalypse?

Okay, so I’m from Spain so I read it in spanish (just in case My grammar isn’t good or I said something wrong) The thing is I recently read the trumpets and the fifth sounds the scariest. But then I thought: God wouldn’t be capable of sending grasshopper scorpion tale with crown animals to torture us.

And I think I’m right. God isn’t capable of doing that.

In the Genesis book, he said he would never destroy the Earth.

And it’s right, everything that has happened it’s because of us so here’s my question: What if those grasshopper scorpion tale animal are a failed human experiment?

Like, humans are doing an weird experiment and they made that animal and somehow they escape and reproduce.

I think it makes sense because everything has happened because of us, why wouldn’t the animal be our fault too? What do you think about this theory? I want your opinion and what you think where those will come from. Thanks for reading. (PS. Those things can already exists but they’re locked somewhere)

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.  For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.  Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.  And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.  But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear:  Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.  Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God?  But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore:  ye are of more value than many sparrows.  Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:  But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.  And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:  but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.  (Luke 12:  1-10, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Mankind Destroyed? (01/24/2014); What Salvation Is (01/25/2014); Are We the Spoils of War? (01/08/2014); The Fullness of GODhead? (01/09/2014); A Partnership? (11/05/2012); To See With New Eyes (11/06/2012); Doom (09/20/2012); Contradictions? (09/21/2012)

 

“Trunks”, here are a few points to consider that are important to many mature Christian believers:

(1.)  Nothing is impossible to GOD.  Sin opposes the continued existence of all divine law, the Law Giver, and all Creation relying upon sacred law for divine order.  Because sin does not exist as material substance a person can hold in his hand, or spirit matter created by GOD, those who rely upon such finite tools as emotion, intellect, mathematics, philosophy and science are convinced that divinity is not able to destroy, eliminate and remove sin.

(2.)  The nature of final judgment.  The divine process to assign value to those objects, created beings and living creatures put forth by Deity requires that their spirit content be examined for agreement, congruence, and identity with divinity.  A divine record (we say, the book of life) detailing ones attitudes, behavior and conduct will be examined as the indicator of ones full spirit content from the makeup of GOD.

(3.)  Chaos will not be allowed.  The angels from the bottomless pit and other divinely created beasts that will torment mankind do so only at the command and direction of GOD.  This will be a final opportunity for mankind to return to GOD.  Those dominated through sin, unrepentant, and no longer endowed with sacred content within their awareness and self-will will be challenged, changed, or destroyed.  There will be no attack against those born again as children of GOD and joint-heirs with Jesus Christ.

(4.)  Believers are not to fear tribulation.  Christians face an enemy who specializes in deceit and spiritual confusion as well as the non-material, non-spirit influence that is sin.  Affliction, hardship and loss become a “normal” feature to prepare Christian believers for the transformation of the world they know along with political oppression, persecution, poverty, and rejection by the world.

(5.)  Prophecy reveals divine intent.  The work of prophecy is not so much predicting the future as making the nature and will of GOD visible to the created.  Along with commandments, proclamations, and promises prophecy declares divine commitments expressed through human events.  To cleanse and heal created beings and living creatures requires multiple sacred operations including atonement, baptism, death, rebirth, redemption, resurrection, salvation and sanctification.

There is far more to be said, correctly understood, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (6.)  Believers are not to worry about the “end of the world.”  Christians are to focus upon the promises of GOD through Jesus Christ, our ongoing lives, and the service to GOD we are to perform.  Born again, believers are to await and prepare for the appearing of Jesus to harvest the earth of those who are his by faith (we say, the Advent, the Rapture, the Second Coming).  Do not be deceived or deluded by the many errors held among your enemies who are enslaved to unbelief.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC