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Today, thoughts are shared on preexistence, Creation, and some of the ideas from Science.  It remains that, sacred events must be embraced as they fit the mold of complete divine truth.  Most mature Christians avoid conversations and discussions on the origin of GOD.  In part this is because, through the operations of faith, believers accept the holy writings that describe the beginning for heaven and earth, and that do not provide any description of a specific beginning for Deity.  In addition, as men and women of faith, believers seek to develop a disciplined mind that will avoid unfruitful conjecture, speculation, and superstition.  All things do not edify, and contribute to apprehending salvation and our goal of displaying the divine nature.  The authority, power, and sovereign will of GOD have been revealed to created beings and living creatures by the Creator using Incarnation (i.e., appearing in flesh and using human form) and by his employing all the devices that describe mortal duration (e.g., birth, aging, growth, eating, drinking, rest, sleep).  While conceptual awareness and knowing can put forth mental images and thoughts of divinity, the substantive existence of divinity—that may be shown and made visible in the living—has not been, is not now, and will never be put forth by created beings and living creatures.  Not from fear or ignorance, but from the discernment and wisdom provided by GOD, believers refuse to respond to every issue and question generated by secular knowledge.  A fighter at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “Gino” (Level 4 with 2,702 points, a member since March 01, 2017) posted the following:

 

What makes more sense ? Something coming from nothing ? (OR) a creator outside of time and space creates everything?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:  all things were created by him, and for him:  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.  And he is the head of the body, the church:  who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.  For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;  And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.  And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled  In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:  (Colossians 1:  16-22, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  The First Divine Thought? (07/31/2017); GOD Revealed As One (07/12/2017); Tools For Knowing Divinity (05/12/2017); That GOD Is Immutable (05/04/2017); Eternal Mysteries and Revelation (08/31/2016); Our Beginnings Were Perfect? (12/14/2015); The God Concept? (02/13/2015)

 

“Gino”, here are some thoughts being shared among those having sacred knowledge as Christian believers that you may find interesting:

(1.)  There are multiple conditions and operations known to divinity that created beings and living creatures can not conceive or grasp by only using finite intelligence, logic, carnal reason, and thought.  Those tools are anchored in the workings of flesh such as appetite (e.g., hunger, thirst, craving sexual contact), sensation (e.g., hearing, seeing, tasting, touching), and emotion/mental functions (e.g., anger, fear, imagination, recall).  While the mind can produce abstractions and immaterial points of focus, there are many conceivable subjects and topics that are unverifiable using present academic and scholarly process.  Examples include chaos and random streams of matter (we say, flux); existence without frameworks of time and space; nothing; sin; and the makeup of divinity that is spirit (i.e., breath, life essence, word).

(2.)  Given that GOD has always existed, there has never been a period where there has been nothing.  The pre-existence we speak of addresses the apprehension of concepts and forms within the sacred mind and their sequential introduction using various aspects of unchanging sacred law and divine order.  Scientists have proposed an explanation of existence through a “big bang” that also assumes there has always been something in existence.

(3.)  The great gulf between Christian belief and that of the astrophysicist seems to turn on the features of person.  Once the concession is made that there has always been an active presence, the issue becomes how to describe it, interact with it, and derive benefit from it.  The features of person allow and include awareness, communication, direction, exchange, purpose, and self-will.

There is far more to be said, correctly examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.)  For Christians, created beings and living creatures have been put forth by GOD in the image of divinity, and the active presence and persons of divinity (we say, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the GODhead) have not been put forth by any entity or object that ever was, now is, or ever shall be.  The GODhead embodies all divine substance manifesting eternal duration and oneness without sameness.  Mankind has communion with Deity through his own spirit content from the makeup of GOD that is imparted to indwell the living.  Included are inseparable elements such as faith, holiness, longsuffering, lovingkindness, wisdom, and wrath against sin.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

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Today, thoughts are shared on the methods for defining “sin” used among Christian believers.  All sin must be known and understood as contrary to the existence, active presence, and sovereign will of GOD.  Many of us began knowing what sin is by answering a list of forbidden attitudes, behaviors, and things people say.  Even so, in the same way only learning to recite the ABCs does not make a child able to read and write complete words, becoming an independent and mature believer requires more than simple information that describes a few of the many negative conditions, offenses, patterns, and situations that call forth divine wrath against sin.  Wrath against sin is not an emotion or feeling that GOD experiences from time to time.  Anger and disgust directed against disobedience, evil, and wickedness are permanent and inseparable aspects of the full character, makeup, and substance of the Creator.   Created beings and living creatures who sin are not yet annihilated because divine wrath must also be in  balance with other sacred elements such as compassion, forgiveness, impartiality, joy, longsuffering, and mercy.  A writer at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “chaindropz” (Level 4 with 3,074 points, a member since September 10, 2007) posted the following:

 

How do Christians determine what act is a sin?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Owe no man any thing, but to love one another:  for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.  For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.  Love worketh no ill to his neighbour:  therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.  And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep:  for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.  The night is far spent, the day is at hand:  let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.  (Romans 13:  8-12, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  On Law and Sin (06/07/2017); Atonement, Repentance and More (06/06/2017); Sin to Cover Sin? (02/24/2017); Knowing GOD and Sin? (02/03/2017); Divine Presence and Spirit (01/18/2017); Eternal Life From GOD (10/24/2016); The Cross and Creation (03/24/2016); Condemned by the Church? (08/19/2014); Principles of Correct Belief? (08/20/2014)

 

“chaindropz”, many mature Christian believers agree that divine instruction regarding sin is necessary for new life within the church.  Among small children, young people, and sinners who are just beginning to acquire the sacred knowledge, and develop godly concentration through regular sacred practices (we say, sacraments), sin often is known primarily on the basis of divine law, prohibitions (statements like “thou shalt not”), and ones intuited, diffuse, inner sense of right and wrong/good and bad.  Sin seems to be no more than an abstract, immaterial force, or influence.  Correctly understood, sin is no common object you may hold in your hand, or slip into your pocket; and sin can not be eliminated or destroyed by merely retracing/reversing a persons actions.  (The death of a sinner will stop them from committing more sins, however, the consequences and outcomes from their deeds will continue long after they are dead and gone.)

For mature Christian believers, the divine operations for responding to sin also include using special tools from GOD.  There must be discernment (using ones own spirit content to recognize and respond to spirit substance from divinity appearing within events, oneself, other persons, prophecies, holy writings, etc.), judgment (applying the precepts and principles of divine law as standards to assign meaning, quality, and value; to resolve conflicts; and to settle disputes) as well as incarnation (the embodiment of spirit substance using flesh and blood).

Sin opposes the continued existence of divine law, the Law Giver, and the divine order that serves as the platform of this universe.  More than simply promoting death, sin generates non-existence, and the return to conditions of chaos and formlessness that were in place before Creation.  Sin has direction, effect, and presence; and sin may dominate awareness and self-will in created beings and living creatures.  The will of GOD is not subject to sin; thus,  provision of fresh endowments of divine spirit through the ministry of Jesus Christ is an important “solution” in the full response of GOD to sin.  Sin can not be controlled or erased by simply listing all the specific acts and behaviors that are offensive to GOD.  Finite tools such as intellect, logic, carnal reason, philosophy, science and human willpower are not enough to eliminate sin.

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, through operations of the Holy Spirit during baptism there are the death, burial, and resurrection of ones inborn spirit.  All believers must become “born again,” so to speak, from divine seed, and have fresh deposits of Spirit from the makeup of GOD.  Inseparable aspects from the character, nature, and spirit content of GOD are imparted.  Included are faith, forbearance, holiness, longsuffering, lovingkindness, wisdom, and wrath against sin.  Every one who becomes “born again” also must “grow up again” while living on the earth, and is to become ripe for harvest (mature; fit to meet the Lord in the air at his Second Coming).  As vessels of divine substance these will be received as sons and daughters of GOD, divine offspring, and joint-heirs with Jesus Christ.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

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Today, King David, the death of Uriah the Hittite, and the operations of sin are considered.  Sin promotes nonexistence and return to the conditions that were in place before the Creation of heaven and earth.  The mechanics and process of sin always result in the increase and intensification of what is at first a reversible error.  The movement is from deceit, defiance and ignorance of the law to repeated transgressions to deliberate iniquity and persistence of attitudes and actions that violate both the letter and the spirit of the law.  Efforts to cover, rather than confess and abandon sin, usually go from one extreme to another, beginning with lies and even finishing with murder.  Thus, Jesus declared:  I am the door:  by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.  The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:  I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.  I am the good shepherd:  the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep (John 10:  9-11, King James Version, KJV).  The fighter at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “STORMY K” (Level 3 with 1,207 points, a member since September 24, 2006) posted the following:

 

Why did King David order the death of Bathsheba husband Uriahs while he was away at war?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  But the end of all things is at hand:  be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.  8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves:  for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.  (1st Peter 4:  7-8, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  The Sure Mercies of David (09/19/2016); Iniquity Forgiven? (02/16/2016); All Sin Is Willful? (10/20/2015); Repentance, Sin and Willpower (09/08/2015); Was David a “Good” Man? (01/13/2015); A Curse Removed (12/26/2013); Intercession (12/27/2013); Why “Mysterious” (11/11/2012); Attending Church? (11/12/2012)

 

“STORMY K”, many mature Christian believers hold that, when King David could not cover the pregnancy of Bathsheba (Uriah’s wife), and his own sin of adultery against their marriage, the King ordered the death of Uriah by requiring the commander Joab to have the troops abandon Uriah on the battlefield.  In the same way the holy writings use thousands of events, from thousands of lives over the course of thousands of years to make the character, makeup and substance of the Creator knowable, known, and “visible”, the scriptures also reveal the consequences and operations of sin.  Sin opposes the continued existence of divine law, the Law Giver, and the divine order that has put forth the universe.  Sin is no material object or divinely created “thing” that may be destroyed, eliminated, or erased without an extended series of interventions from GOD.  Sin may dominate awareness and self-will in created beings and living creatures; and believers can not consistently and correctly recognize, respond to, and resist sin without fresh endowments of spirit content from the makeup of GOD.  Such finite human tools as emotions, intellect, logic, philosophy, science, and technology are not enough to eliminate and remove sin.  Thus, doctors, educators, lawyers, politicians, scientists, and rulers also are among the many people corrupted by sin.  Consider the following that uses language from the Bible:

(1.)  Isaiah 30:  1-3, King James Version (KJV):  1 Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:  2 That walk to go down into Egypt, and have not asked at my mouth; to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh, and to trust in the shadow of Egypt!  3 Therefore shall the strength of Pharaoh be your shame, and the trust in the shadow of Egypt your confusion.

(2.)  Ezekiel 18:  4-9, KJV:  4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine:  the soul that sinneth, it shall die.  5 But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right,  6 And hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither hath defiled his neighbour’s wife, neither hath come near to a menstruous woman,  7 And hath not oppressed any, but hath restored to the debtor his pledge, hath spoiled none by violence, hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment;  8 He that hath not given forth upon usury, neither hath taken any increase, that hath withdrawn his hand from iniquity, hath executed true judgment between man and man,  9 Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord GOD.

(3.)  Romans 5:  17-21, KJV:  17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)  18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.  19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.  20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:  21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.)  Romans 8:  3-9, KJV:  3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:  4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.  5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:  for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.  9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

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Today, acquiring sacred knowledge, Incarnation (i.e., the conception of Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit are topics.  For things residing within the heart and mind (we say, consciousness) of GOD the Father to have discrete or separate existence as created beings, living creatures, physical objects, and temporal process they must be given dimension, form and presence through the Son who is Word as well as duration, permanence, spirit substance (we say, breath, life) and visibility through the Holy Spirit.  The Holy Spirit was the agent of Creation who acted to fulfill the shared eternal purposes that put forth the heaven, the earth, and the material universe.  His ability to manifest divinity is unlimited, yet, his agenda and objectives always appear as from the Father, the Son, or the two in accord.  The many important sacred events and works by the Holy Spirit include establishing the firmament with multiple spheres for life, the birth of Jesus Christ, that Christ should embody sin in the flesh and die upon the cross, the Savior’s resurrection, the birth of the church on the day of Pentecost, rebirth and repentance by sinners, and the ongoing provision of spiritual gifts as a primary witness to the ministry of Christ.  The problem for mankind with exploring the unknown, and seeking sacred knowledge beyond what GOD already has revealed, is that human research and studies almost always also entail concentrating upon assumptions that are in error, embracing and endorsing the forbidden, exaggerating pride, and practicing presumption (attempting to exercise godly authority without divine license and permission).  The fighter at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “Breakthrough” (Level 6 with 14,987 points, a member since June 29, 2013) posted the following:

 

If God can impregnate a virgin does this mean that the Holy Spirit can do absolutely anything?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God:  and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.  By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.  For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.  For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world:  and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.  Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?  This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.  For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:  and these three are one.  And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood:  and these three agree in one.  If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater:  for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.  He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself:  he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.  (1st John 5:  1-10, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  The Need for Incarnation? (09/29/2016); 3 Persons, 3 Minds? (02/03/2016); Spirit, Spirit Beings, Spirit Persons? (10/13/2015); About Praying to Mary (08/21/2015); The Three Wise Men? (08/05/2015); Divinity Has Person? (05/19/2015);  Evidence of the Unseen Spirit? (04/09/2013); A Guide to Salvation? (04/10/2013)

 

“Breakthrough”, the clearest, most useful information available to mankind regarding the Holy Spirit has been collected and preserved over the course of thousands of years, and is now available as the Bible.  The holy writings do not encourage asking questions about GOD, preexistence, and the many events before the creation of mankind, because they foster emotions and thinking that are disconnected, are inconsistent with revelation, and that promote spiritual confusion.  Even so, some things do appear from GOD that are intended as necessary sacred knowledge.  Mature Christian believers trust that the Holy Spirit exists within the oneness without sameness that is full divinity (we say, the GODhead).  The Holy Spirit (also called the Comforter, the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Prophecy, the Spirit of Truth) shares the same character, nature, makeup, and eternal purpose that is emanated from the Father and manifest as the Son.  Included are inseparable aspects of Deity such as authority, existence, holiness, life, personness, power, presence, and sovereign will.  Consider again the following:

(1.)  Deuteronomy 29:  29, King James Version (KJV):  29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God:  but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

(2.)  Genesis 1:  1-3, King James Version (KJV):  1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.  3 And God said, Let there be light:  and there was light.

(3.)  Romans 1:  16-22, KJV:  16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:  for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.  17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith:  as it is written, The just shall live by faith.  18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;  19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.  20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:  21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.  22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended, here.  For example, (4.)  Colossians 2:  6-10, KJV:  6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:  7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.  8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.  9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.  10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

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Today, definitions of “evil”, and the enmity between flesh and spirit are considered.  Created beings and living creatures are required by GOD to express and manage their own measure of life essence (we say, breath, spirit, word).  While sinners take the focus of divine judgment to be discrete episodes, process, and events within the frameworks of time and space, for divinity Judgment concentrates upon the enduring and lasting aspects of ones full makeup and substance from GOD.  A fighter at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “Dead Mans Curve” (Level 7 with 261,115 points, a member since March 02, 2006) posted the following:

 

What is so evil about the flesh?

I don’t understand why the flesh is so evil?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.  For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.  For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:  That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.  (Romans 8:  1-4, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  The Need for Incarnation? (09/29/2016); Must GOD Hate Sinners? (09/01/2016); The Flesh An Obstacle? (07/29/2016); Evil Is Not Sin and Wickedness? (12/09/2014); Divine Goodness? (12/10/2014); GOD Permits Evil? (05/12/2014); Why the Gospel for Our Children (05/13/2014)

 

“Dead Mans Curve”, mature Christian believers use a sacred vocabulary that also defines “evil” as change brought about by men that is arbitrary, destructive, pointless, sudden and unnecessary as well as sacred events that express divine judgment and wrath against sin by using widespread calamity, catastrophe, disaster, and upheaval (we say, condemnation, disfavor, plague, punishment).  GOD, who is spirit in form, nature and substance, is immortal,  immutable, incorruptible, and unchanging.  The Creator puts forth (we say, “creates”) both evil and peace (i.e., the condition of balance, completeness, continuity, rest, stability) for the further revelation of divinity (i.e., making divine authority, sacred law, and the will of GOD knowable and known).  Carnal being (we say, the flesh) operates using process that is material and mechanical, and that may be described as temporal units (e.g., cycles, phases, and stages).   With this in view, evil and wickedness are not the same.  Sin is an immaterial and unseen influence that opposes the continued existence of divine law, the Law Giver, and all divine order from law.  Sin generates and promotes chaos, nonexistence, and returning to the conditions that were in place before Creation was begun.  Sin may be a residue from preexistence, and has not been created by GOD; yet, sin may dominate awareness and self-will in the living.  Ordinarily, the flesh appears as appetite (e.g., hunger, thirst, craving for sexual activity), sensation (e.g., hearing, seeing, tasting, touching) and emotion/mental functions (e.g., anger, fear, imagination, recall, thought).  Like sin, the flesh does not automatically agree and perform according to dictates and principles of divine law.  Until destroyed in death, the flesh opposes and resists the spirit of GOD that resides within the law.  Consider the following points from the holy writings:

(1.)  Isaiah 45:  5-8, King James Version (KJV):  5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me:  I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:  6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.  7 I form the light, and create darkness:  I make peace, and create evil:  I the LORD do all these things.  8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness:  let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.

(2.)  Proverbs 8:  13, KJV:  13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil:  pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

(3.)  Proverbs 24:  19-22, KJV:  19 Fret not thyself because of evil men, neither be thou envious at the wicked:  20 For there shall be no reward to the evil man; the candle of the wicked shall be put out.  21 My son, fear thou the LORD and the king:  and meddle not with them that are given to change:  22 For their calamity shall rise suddenly; and who knoweth the ruin of them both?

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (4.)  Romans 8:  5-9, KJV:  5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:  for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.  9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

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Topics today include secular knowledge, sacred mystery, preexistence, revelation, and the origins of divinity.  Correctly understood, GOD does not intend that his own origin be the focus and study of the living; instead, apprehending life through the person of Jesus Christ has been provided as a primary focus, a device to crystallize diffuse life experience, and a mechanism to direct and discipline self-will through the accomplishment of attainable spiritual goals.  The fighter at “Yahoo! Answers (India)” using the ID “No Chance Without Jesus” (Level 7 with 104,793 points, a member since September 07, 2010) posted the following:

 

Christians, the Bible says God created Heaven. So, where was God “before” He created Heaven?

Asked by someone who blocks me

God also created time. sdo there is no “before” with God

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:  According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:  Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,  To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.  In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;  Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;  Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:  That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:  In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:  (Ephesians 1:  3-11, King James Version, KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Word, Son, and Christ? (08/24/2016); The Cross and Mankind (05/13/2016); The God Concept? (02/13/2015); Time Before the Sun? (04/14/2013); The Obedience of Jesus? (04/15/2013); How Was GOD Known Before Jesus? (10/06/2012); Jesus, King of Earth? (10/07/2012)

 

“No Chance Without Jesus,” divinity is to be known by quality of being and essence (we say, breath, spirit, word); and the things chosen by GOD to be our interests are more useful to us for sacred knowledge than those from our own curiosity and desire.  The life and process within Jesus Christ continues to appear within selected persons upon the earth.  For mature Christian believers it is an inarguable and non-negotiable truth that divinity has existed within the fullness of duration and presence without the frameworks of form, order, time and space.  Finite awareness and mental operations of created beings and living creatures can neither construct nor receive all sacred knowledge that pertains to Deity.  Much must be accepted using the order consistent with the actuality and possibilities of spirit substance, therefore, the Incarnation is a signal benefit.  Divinity may only be known through revelation, and the imparting of spirit content from the makeup of GOD to the consciousness and person of the living.  Inseparable aspects of divinity (where you find one, all the others also appear) must be in place, though perhaps not in the same measure.  Included are faith, holiness, joy, longsuffering, wisdom, and wrath against sin.  Secular knowledge repeatedly generates questions that are fitting and logical because they rely upon data and information readily available through carnal, material and social mechanisms.  Sacred knowledge, divine mysteries, and eternal secrets have their origin in GOD, and are shared with the living to continue sacred operations, express sovereign being, and accomplish eternal purposes.  Consider again the following from the Bible:

(1.)  Deuteronomy 29:  29, King James Version (KJV):  29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God:  but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

(2.)  Romans 1:  16-21, KJV:  16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:  for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.  17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith:  as it is written, The just shall live by faith.  18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;  19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.  20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:  21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

(3.)  1st Corinthians 2:  9-14, KJV:  9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.  10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit:  for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.  11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.  12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.  13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.  14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:  for they are foolishness unto him:  neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

(4.)  2nd Peter 1:  2-4, KJV:  2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,  3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:  4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises:  that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

There is far more to be said, carefully examined, and spiritually apprehended.  (For example, (5.)  Revelation 10:  4-7, KJV:  4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write:  and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.  5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,  6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:  7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
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Today, the preexistence of Jesus Christ within the Godhead, and his work as the Creator and Maker of mankind are in view.  When referring to the living Word and Holy Spirit, it is correct to say, they are one GOD, not gods.  While within the exalted fullness and summation of all divine spirit containing character, consciousness, duration, imperative, nature, presence, purpose, utterance, and will, Jesus had person and “place” as living Word.  The Word—also called the Son of GOD—prepared the form that allows mankind to serve as an host to divine life essence (i.e., breath, spirit) introduced to a material form and resulting in a living soul.  The participation in Creation by Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and GOD the Father came before the beginning of life within man and woman as well as before many other important features of heaven and earth.  Adam and Eve came from Creation by GOD, and all mankind that have come from the first pair as their offspring have done so by reproduction and sexual joining.  Jesus Christ did not come by reproduction and sexual joining.  As the Son of Man, Jesus was born after being “conceived” through operations of the Holy Spirit within a virgin, who had been specially prepared and consecrated for that divine purpose.  When Christ completed mortality upon the cross, was buried, resurrected and returned to heaven, he continued use of the image and similitude of man, however, divine aspects of his earlier form and process have been fully restored and resumed.  Included are duties as chief architect of the New Jerusalem, High Priest, Judge, King, and Lord of the Sabbath.  One of the many fighters at “Yahoo! Answers” using the ID “Anonymous” (required profile information not shared) posted the following:

 

Who came first, Jesus Christ or Adam and Eve?

 

THE GOLDEN ARROW:  Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?  This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.  For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:  and these three are one.  (1st John 5:  5-7, King James Version,  KJV)

 

THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  A Servant and More (08/17/2016); In Relationship With Divinity? (08/16/2016); Can GOD Give Life? (08/14/2016); (Jesus Known As Word 01/17/2016); A GOD Without Form? (12/27/2015); Jesus Is GOD’s Word (12/28/2013); Alpha and Omega (12/29/2013); Fear & GOD? (12/30/2013)

 

“Anonymous”, for mature Christian believers, a divine “person” who existed within the fullness of divinity that we call “The Godhead” has been the Creator and Maker of the heaven and earth as spheres of life, and the origin for all created beings and living creatures.  The name usually given to distinguish and set apart this Deity from the other living aspects that display holiness, eternal purpose, and sovereign power is “the Word.”  Spoken of using the concepts of order described by family relationships, the Word appears as the Son of GOD, where GOD, who is entirely spirit in character, nature, and substance, is Father.  While spirit in form, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are inseparable, existing as a single living entity.  This is depicted in the way the “fingers” and the “hand” are the same, yet, are totally different and must work together as one unit.  Because the Son must appear as divinity using the form and processes of mankind (e.g., birth, aging, death, obedience, mortality, sanctification, worship), many reserve the name “Jesus Christ” for the Son as he appeared upon the earth in the flesh as the child of a virgin mother, and thereby an offspring and output of Adam and Eve.  Consider how some of this is stated using language from the Bible:

(1.)  John 1:  1-5, King James Version (KJV):  1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  2 The same was in the beginning with God.  3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.  4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.  5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

(2.)  Colossians 1:  12-19, KJV:  12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:  13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:  14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:  15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:  16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:  all things were created by him, and for him:  17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.  18 And he is the head of the body, the church:  who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.  19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

(3.)  Galatians 4:  3-7, KJV:  3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:  4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,  5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.  6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.  7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

(4.)  Acts 17:  29, KJV:  29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

There is far more to be said, carefully examined, and spiritually understood.  (For example, (5.)  Romans 1:  18-22, KJV:  18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;  19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.  20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:  21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.  22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.

THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC

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